[EL] voter ID backlash after the election?

[thadhall at gmail.com]

To comment on just one aspect of what Paul was talking about, the Cato  
Institute has long protested against the overuse of government  
identification, so there is an intellectual libertarian argument regarding  
the requirement for having identification and then how such identification  
should be used. The question then is whether people see all government  
regulations/intrusions as similar.

To go back to the point Charles made, there is a literature on how ID laws  
get implemented on the ground and how voters view the correct and incorrect  
implementation. In general, people like being IDed correctly and poll  
workers do use discretion in implementing these laws.


On Jul 1, 2011 10:39am, "Milyo, Jeffrey D." <milyoj at missouri.edu> wrote:
> In the spirit of the holiday, I'll join the parade.



> There are indeed studies to suggest the correlations that Paul speaks of  
> (and no doubt many more in the offing), but the line of research is  
> tendentious (I'm not really sure what that word means, but I've always  
> been impressed when other people use it, so hopefully the smart folks on  
> this list will infer some coherent meaning to my statement). I think many  
> folks would quibble with the way in which "racial resentment" is measured  
> in those studies, and therefore what exactly, if anything, they show.  
> That said, within the accepted definitions and practices of the extant  
> literature, Paul's claim is entirely defensible. But the spirit of Mark's  
> objections and his intuition about definitions and biases are right on  
> point. Oh, and I agree with Charles, too.







> -----Original Message-----

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> [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of  
> Scarberry, Mark

> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:12 AM

> To: Paul Gronke; Charles Stewart III

> Cc: Doug Hess; Election Law

> Subject: Re: [EL] voter ID backlash after the election?



> I'm sorry, but such statements are not nonjudgmental, and it is not a  
> further detour into Tea Party issues to ask for some backup. The  
> questions that are asked on such surveys, the definition of the  
> categories (such as authoritarianism and racial resentment), and the  
> interpretation of the results may have a very substantial effect on the  
> conclusions to be drawn. Possible biases of researchers or possibly  
> dubious and value-laden assumptions undergirding standards used in  
> particular fields of study should not be ignored.



> References to the studies, preferably on line, would be appreciated.



> To the extent that authoritarianism is considered to include campus  
> speech codes, closed union shops, a large administrative bureaucracy,  
> organized public workers using political muscle to require other citizens  
> to fund lavish pensions, government regulation that makes formation and  
> operation of small businesses difficult, imposition of values by judges  
> over public opposition, or features of what might be called the nanny  
> state (requirements that bicycle riders wear helmets, smoking bans,  
> etc.), I'd be surprised to see Tea Party members scoring high on  
> authoritarian scales. (Full disclosure: My wife is allergic to cigarette  
> smoke, and we're very grateful that smoking has been banned in most  
> enclosed public places in California. And Brown v. Board was a necessary  
> and just judicial action that went against much public opinion. So call  
> me an authoritarian.)



> To the extent that authoritarianism includes a desire for serious  
> punishment of criminal behavior or similar matters, I wouldn't be  
> surprised.



> My sense is that many Tea Party supporters would consider themselves to  
> be somewhat libertarian rather than authoritarian. Paul even refers to  
> the "libertarian wing of the GOP / Tea Party." But I haven't seen the  
> empirical literature and would appreciate getting references.



> Mark S. Scarberry

> Professor of Law

> Pepperdine Univ. School of Law

> Malibu, CA 90263

> (310) 506-4667





> -----Original Message-----

> From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu  
> [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Paul  
> Gronke

> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:28 AM

> To: Charles Stewart III

> Cc: Doug Hess; Election Law

> Subject: Re: [EL] voter ID backlash after the election?



> Charles raises an interesting issue, and as usual, I agree with him.



> One twist might be if the libertarian wing of the GOP / Tea Party sees  
> this as governmental intrusion, but I've seen little indication of this.  
> Survey data has also shown a strong relationship between measures such as  
> authoritarianism, racial resentment, and racial and ethnic stereotyping  
> among respondents who profess affiliation with the Tea Party. Given that  
> support for voter ID shows some of the same correlations, I would not  
> expect a libertarian backlash.



> (I do NOT want this to detour into a debate on the Tea Party, which is  
> why I've kept the remarks above purposely non-judgmental. The  
> correlations I refer to are, in my mind, an empirical fact, replicated  
> across many surveys. I'll leave the substantive interpretation to others.)

> ---

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