[EL] ELB News and Commentary 9/14/11

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Thu Sep 15 05:14:22 PDT 2011


Or it could simply be that the people who are  supporting the initiative 
actually believe in it and are not using it as a means  "of getting our the 
Republican vote," as Rick suggests, so they want it adopted  sooner rather 
than later. In representing advocacy groups, I have found that  they are much 
more interested in getting their public policy positions adopted,  then in 
influencing elections. Jim Bopp
 
 
In a message dated 9/14/2011 1:46:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wmaurer at ij.org writes:

 
Perhaps they’ve  adopted Governor Schwarzenegger’s position that “gay 
marriage should be  between a man and a woman.”  (Yes, he actually said that).   
 
 
  
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[mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Joe La Rue
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:54  AM
To: Rick Hasen
Cc: law-election at UCI.EDU
Subject: Re: [EL] ELB News and Commentary  9/14/11
I think same-sex marriage is a  very complicated issue in North  Carolina. 
A _poll  conducted this past February_ 
(http://www.thebluebanner.net/news/10-study-revels-same-sex-marriage-support-on-rise-across-the-state)  revealed 
that only 28 percent of North Carolinans support same-sex marriage. However, 
the  same poll revealed that 56 percent oppose a constitutional amendment 
defining  marriage as between one man and one woman. What does this mean for 
Rick's  question about the timing of this initiative? I don't know for sure. 
But I  don't think it indicates that public opinion on same-sex marriage 
has shifted  significantly in North  Carolina -- the vast majority do not seem 
to support  the concept.  
_Gay Marriage  Initiative Timing_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23067)  
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:22 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23067)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
I’m  surprised _this North Carolina measure_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/us/north-carolina-voters-to-decide-on-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=1&ref=po
litics)  was not pushed to be on the  general election ballot, as a 
potential way of getting out the Republican  vote. Could it be that public opinion 
has shifted enough so that this is not a  reliable type of measure to get a 
net gain in conservative  votes? 


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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Rick Hasen <_rhasen at law.uci.edu_ 
(mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu) >  wrote: 
 
 
_“NJ Election  Cover-Up”_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23074)  
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:34 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23074)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
Don’t  miss this _first of four posts _ 
(https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/appel/nj-election-cover) by Princeton computer scientist Andrew  Appel: “
There is a reason to believe that New Jersey election officials have destroyed 
 evidence in a pending court case, perhaps to cover up the noncompliance 
with  these measures or to cover up irregularities in this election. There is 
enough  evidence of a cover-up that a Superior Court judge has referred the 
matter to  the State prosecutor’s office.” 
This  should get some national coverage. 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23074&title=“NJ%20Election%20Cover-Up”&description=) 


 
Posted in _chicanery_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=12) , _election  
administration_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=18)  | Comments Off 

 
_Carl Lewis Case Going  Further, With Petition to Third Circuit En Banc or 
Supreme Court_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23072)   
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:31 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23072)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
See _here_ 
(http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/13/general-us-carl-lewis-residency_8676979.html)  (via _Richard Winger_ 
(http://www.ballot-access.org/2011/09/13/opponents-of-carl-lewis-will-appeal-ruling-that-put-him-on-ballo
t/) ). 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23072&title=Carl%20Lewis%20Case%20Going%20Further,%20With%20Petition%20to%20Third
%20Circuit%20En%20Banc%20or%20Supreme%20Court&description=) 


 
Posted in _Uncategorized_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=1)  |  Comments 
Off 

 
_“The pitfalls of a  third-party candidacy”_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23070)  
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:28 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23070)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
Norm  Ornstein and Tom Mann have written _this WaPo oped_ 
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-pitfalls-of-a-third-party-candidacy/2011/09/08/gIQ
A4axWQK_story.html?hpid=z5) . 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23070&title=“The%20pitfalls%20of%20a%20third-party%20candidacy”&description=) 


 
Posted in _third parties_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=47)  |  Comments 
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_Gay Marriage  Initiative Timing_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23067)  
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:22 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23067)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
I’m  surprised _this North Carolina measure_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/us/north-carolina-voters-to-decide-on-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=1&ref=po
litics)  was not pushed to be on the  general election ballot, as a 
potential way of getting out the Republican  vote. Could it be that public opinion 
has shifted enough so that this is not a  reliable type of measure to get a 
net gain in conservative  votes? 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23067&title=Gay%20Marriage%20Initiative%20Timing&description=) 


 
Posted in _direct democracy_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=62)  |  
Comments Off 

 
_Quote of the Day_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23064)   
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:19 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23064)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
The  Ohio  congressional redistricting plan “has all the earmarks of a 
partisan  gerrymander, and I would be shocked if it were not challenged on  
constitutional grounds.” 
Dan  Tokaji, _testifying_ 
(http://www.the-daily-record.com/news/article/5095582)  about the proposed plan.  I might add that I  would be shocked if a 
partisan gerrymander challenge succeeds, in Ohio or  anywhere. 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23064&title=Quote%20of%20the%20Day&description=) 


 
Posted in _redistricting_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=6)  |  Comments 
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_Fraudulent Fraud  Squad Lesson # 2_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23061)  
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:16 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23061)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
If the  Republican _wins_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/nyregion/ny-democrats-try-to-avoid-upset-in-special-election.html?hp)  the race, forget 
_allegations_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=22999)  of  voter fraud made 
before the election.  (Lesson # 1 is to scream voter  fraud if it looks like the 
Democrat may win.) 
I give  some examples of this phenomenon in The  Voting Wars. 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23061&title=Fraudulent%20Fraud%20Squad%20Lesson%20#%202&description=) 


 
Posted in _election  administration_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=18) , 
_fraudulent fraud  squad_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=8)  | Comments 
Off 

 
_“It’s Not Just Who  You Are, It’s Where You Live: Domicile and the 
Elections Stained Glass  Window”_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23059)  
 
Posted on _September 14, 2011  7:14 am_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23059)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
Doug  Chapin _muses_ 
(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/peea/2011/09/its_not_just_who_you_are_its_w.php) . 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23059&title=“It’s%20Not%20Just%20Who%20You%20Are,%20It’
s%20Where%20You%20Live:%20Domicile%20and%20the%20Elections%20Stained%20Glass%20Window”&description=) 


 
Posted in _election  administration_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=18) , 
_residency_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=38)  |  Comments Off 

 
_“3-3 FEC Vote Drops  Charge Denham Used State Campaign Funds for U.S. 
House Race”_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23056)   
 
Posted on _September 13, 2011  8:48 pm_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23056)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
The _usua_ 
(http://news.bna.com/mpdm/MPDMWB/split_display.adp?fedfid=22826680&vname=mpebulallissues&fn=22826680&jd=a0c9a1m8u0&split=0) l. 
 
 
 
(http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23056&title=“
3-3%20FEC%20Vote%20Drops%20Charge%20Denham%20Used%20State%20Campaign%20Funds%20for%20U.S.%20House%20Race”&description=) 


 
Posted in _campaign finance_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10)  |  
Comments Off 

_Kris Kobach and the  Seven Dwarfs_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23053)  
 
Posted on _September 13, 2011  8:45 pm_ 
(http://electionlawblog.org/?p=23053)  by _Rick Hasen_ (http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3)   
 
During  yesterday’s “To the Point” _show_ 
(http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110912is_there_a_war_on_vo) , Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach 
and I went over  the question whether voter identification laws actually can 
prevent  fraud.  I pointed out that impersonation fraud rarely if ever 
happens,  and Kobach confirmed he’s got no cases of impersonation fraud he can 
point to  in Kansas.  But Kobach also said that a  state id requirement would 
be necessary to prevent a different type of crime:  the use of false 
registrations (of fictitious people) to cast votes in  elections.  He gave the 
example of someone registering and voting ballots  for the fictitious seven 
dwarfs.  I pointed out that I was not aware of a  single case of fraudulent 
registrations (such as from ACORN) leading to actual  fraudulent votes (the 
reason the ACORN-type fraud occurred was because poor  people who worked to 
register voters made up fake names to keep their jobs,  not to rig elections.)  
But a reader sends along another great point  about why a state i.d. is 
unnecessary to stop voter fraud in this  instance: 
I was  struck by the “perfect crime” tale — the  hypothetical attempt to  
register the seven dwarves. He seems to have ignored that HAVA’s voter id  
requirements for any voter who registers to vote by mail and has not  
previously voted in a Federal election. (See HAVA Section 303)  That is  of course, 
presuming that Sleepy and Grumpy are not long time registered  voters. If 
those “voters” want to vote absentee (I doubt the fraudster would  be able 
to produce Sleepy and Grumpy to cast an in person vote without  arousing some 
suspicion), they are required to provide a valid photo ID or a  current 
utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or other  government 
document that shows the name and address of the  voter.
This  “perfect crime” meme is a recent theme of the fraudulent fraud 
squad.  As  I pointed out on yesterday’s show, we see prosecutions, or at least 
credible  reports, of other types of voter fraud—absentee vote buying, double 
voting,  etc., but not of impersonation fraud.  Why not?  As I argue in  
The Voting Wars, it is an  exceedingly dumb way to try to steal an election.  
And it is the kind of  fraud which would be the hardest to try to hide, 
because it  involves a conspiracy to find many voters to go into the polling 
place as  impersonators. The reason we don’t see it is because it rarely, if 
ever,  happens, and not on any kind of scale to change election  outcomes. 
Nonetheless, former Indana SOS (and now Member of  Congress) Todd Rokita 
made _the same perfect crime point_ 
(http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/gop_rep_voter_fraud_happening_everywhere_but_prosecutors_wouldnt_tak
e_cases_video.php?ref=fpc)  testifying before the Senate  Judiciary 
Committee.  This, even though his lawyers stipulated in court during the  Crawford 
challenge to  Indiana’s photo ID law that there has never  been a single 
case of voter impersonation fraud in Indiana’s  history. 
The  perfect crime indeed. 
 
 
 
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