[EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

[Scarberry, Mark]

Is the union paying the workers for their canvassing work?

Mark S. Scarberry
Professor of Law
Pepperdine Univ. School of Law



From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Joe La Rue
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:29 AM
To: Jerald Lentini
Cc: JBoppjr at aol.com; law-election at uci.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

I find it funny that Jerald, in arguing about the value of the contribution, has proved Jim's point. A union sending its members to campaign for a candidate is a valuable in-kind contribution. But most reformers won't see that as a problem, as Jerald just demonstrated. But let a corporation make a contribution up to the regular, noncorrupting contribution limits, and the sky will fall.

On Aug 11, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Jerald Lentini <jerald.lentini at gmail.com<mailto:jerald.lentini at gmail.com>> wrote:
Believe it or not, Jim, my intent in criticizing your comment was to point out its lack of foundation and merit, not to "chill your speech." Or is criticism from private parties inherently chilling now, too?
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:03 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com>> wrote:
One of my assumptions was that this was just for one day's work.  I now see from this
Click here: Labor chief Trumka vows stronger ground game for elections - Washington Times<http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/9/labor-chief-trumka-vows-stronger-ground-game-elect/>  that it is much more than that.

No, I don't know what the going rate for canvassers is.  Maybe someone on the list serve can provide that info.  In any event, we are talking about 100s of millions of dollars for this effort.

And, JR, I know that your name calling is intended to chill my speech (boy, we have seen a lot of that coming from the left these days) but, sorry, it just won't work.  Jim Bopp

In a message dated 8/11/2012 9:29:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jerald.lentini at gmail.com<mailto:jerald.lentini at gmail.com> writes:
Jim, all else aside, do you really think the value of an in-kind contribution is what the person's normal hourly rate doing something completely different would be, and not the value of the service actually rendered?

Unless you think a canvassing program that happens outside business hours should be valued as an in-kind contribution of what the volunteers would make doing their regular jobs (which are most likely a little more taxing than knocking on doors), then your snark makes no sense.

-JR


On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com>> wrote:
    AFL-CIO to send out 3 or 400,000 volunteers to help Obama.  See

Click here: Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/09/unions-ready-to-send-volunteers-out-for-obama/#ixzz2352FkkuX>

    I have always been curious why the "reformers" only focus only on money.  This sure seems like a very valuable contribution to the Obama campaign to me (if this is coordinated, but I cannot figure that out. Anyway the "reformers" say it doesn't matter -- corruption either way).  Many of these volunteers make 30, 40 or 50 dollars an hour, so this is a 144 million dollar contribution to the Obama campaign. 400,000 x 8 x 40 = $144,000,000.

    And the "reformer" scream bloody murder over contributions from corporations of a few thousand.  Jim Bopp

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