[EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

[Lowenstein, Daniel]

          I don't suppose the work that most volunteers do for a campaign has a market value of $30 - 50 per hour.  Though that is a point worth making, it hardly reduces Jim's point to "no sense."  First, give the work a valuation that is probably too low--say ten dollars an hour--and the total is still immense.  Second, under most campaign finance laws, if the person who provides services to the campaign is paid for the time by his employer, then the services constitute an in-kind contribution from the employer.  I will gladly accept correction from others who know these details better than I do, but I believe the employer must value the services at the employee's regular rate of pay, though the value of the services to the campaign are likely lower than the value of the employee's day job.

             Best,

             Daniel H. Lowenstein
             Director, Center for the Liberal Arts and Free Institutions (CLAFI)
             UCLA Law School
             405 Hilgard
             Los Angeles, California 90095-1476
             310-825-5148


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Subject: Re: [EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

One of my assumptions was that this was just for one day's work.  I now see from this
Click here: Labor chief Trumka vows stronger ground game for elections - Washington Times<http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/9/labor-chief-trumka-vows-stronger-ground-game-elect/>  that it is much more than that.

No, I don't know what the going rate for canvassers is.  Maybe someone on the list serve can provide that info.  In any event, we are talking about 100s of millions of dollars for this effort.

And, JR, I know that your name calling is intended to chill my speech (boy, we have seen a lot of that coming from the left these days) but, sorry, it just won't work.  Jim Bopp

In a message dated 8/11/2012 9:29:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jerald.lentini at gmail.com writes:
Jim, all else aside, do you really think the value of an in-kind contribution is what the person's normal hourly rate doing something completely different would be, and not the value of the service actually rendered?

Unless you think a canvassing program that happens outside business hours should be valued as an in-kind contribution of what the volunteers would make doing their regular jobs (which are most likely a little more taxing than knocking on doors), then your snark makes no sense.

-JR


On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com>> wrote:
    AFL-CIO to send out 3 or 400,000 volunteers to help Obama.  See

Click here: Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/09/unions-ready-to-send-volunteers-out-for-obama/#ixzz2352FkkuX>

    I have always been curious why the "reformers" only focus only on money.  This sure seems like a very valuable contribution to the Obama campaign to me (if this is coordinated, but I cannot figure that out. Anyway the "reformers" say it doesn't matter -- corruption either way).  Many of these volunteers make 30, 40 or 50 dollars an hour, so this is a 144 million dollar contribution to the Obama campaign. 400,000 x 8 x 40 = $144,000,000.

    And the "reformer" scream bloody murder over contributions from corporations of a few thousand.  Jim Bopp

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