[EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

Sat Aug 11 13:42:20 PDT 2012

I was assuming an 8 hour day. I forgot we are talking about unions. Jim Bopp

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Subject: RE: [EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama |	Fox News
From: Larry Levine <larrylevine at earthlink.net>
To: JBoppjr at aol.com,Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu,joseph.e.larue at gmail.com,jerald.lentini at gmail.com
CC: RE: [EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama |	Fox News

I don’t know where you are getting your math. $10 an hour for a 6-hour canvass shift would equal 3,600,000 hours, or 600,000 shifts. At 100 voting households per shift that would reach 60,000,000 households. Somehow, I don’t think so. (By the way, these numbers are based on actual field canvassing experience from this year’s primary election using a very good professional canvassing outfit. Let’s assume paid amateurs would get less coverage and would only reach 40,000,000 households. I still don’t think so.

Larry

From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of JBoppjr at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

    Even at $10 an hour, we are talking about one days value at $36,000,000.  If they spend 3 Saturdays doing this, we are up to almost $100 million.  "Reformers" were apoplectic when one casino owner gave $10 million to a Super PAC, not $100 million to a candidate.  No press releases from "watch dog" Fred.  No editorials in the NYTimes.  Interesting.

    Even if the union members do it for free, the union leadership has organized this and it would not happen if they had not. Furthermore, as I understand the articles, the union used union employees to do the organizing. Obama will certainly give the union leadership credit for this -- which "reformers" would call "corruption" if done by a corporatio -- and they would be calling the people involved criminals. But nothing but silence. Jim

In a message dated 8/11/2012 1:01:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu writes:

Is the union paying the workers for their canvassing work?

Mark S. Scarberry

Professor of Law

Pepperdine Univ. School of Law

From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Joe La Rue
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:29 AM
To: Jerald Lentini
Cc: JBoppjr at aol.com; law-election at uci.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Check out Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

I find it funny that Jerald, in arguing about the value of the contribution, has proved Jim's point. A union sending its members to campaign for a candidate is a valuable in-kind contribution. But most reformers won't see that as a problem, as Jerald just demonstrated. But let a corporation make a contribution up to the regular, noncorrupting contribution limits, and the sky will fall.

On Aug 11, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Jerald Lentini <jerald.lentini at gmail.com> wrote:

Believe it or not, Jim, my intent in criticizing your comment was to point out its lack of foundation and merit, not to "chill your speech." Or is criticism from private parties inherently chilling now, too?

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:03 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com> wrote:

One of my assumptions was that this was just for one day's work.  I now see from this

Click here: Labor chief Trumka vows stronger ground game for elections - Washington Times  that it is much more than that.

No, I don't know what the going rate for canvassers is.  Maybe someone on the list serve can provide that info.  In any event, we are talking about 100s of millions of dollars for this effort.

And, JR, I know that your name calling is intended to chill my speech (boy, we have seen a lot of that coming from the left these days) but, sorry, it just won't work.  Jim Bopp

In a message dated 8/11/2012 9:29:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jerald.lentini at gmail.com writes:

Jim, all else aside, do you really think the value of an in-kind contribution is what the person's normal hourly rate doing something completely different would be, and not the value of the service actually rendered?

Unless you think a canvassing program that happens outside business hours should be valued as an in-kind contribution of what the volunteers would make doing their regular jobs (which are most likely a little more taxing than knocking on doors), then your snark makes no sense.

-JR

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:09 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com> wrote:

    AFL-CIO to send out 3 or 400,000 volunteers to help Obama.  See

Click here: Unions ready to send volunteers out for Obama | Fox News

    I have always been curious why the "reformers" only focus only on money.  This sure seems like a very valuable contribution to the Obama campaign to me (if this is coordinated, but I cannot figure that out. Anyway the "reformers" say it doesn't matter -- corruption either way).  Many of these volunteers make 30, 40 or 50 dollars an hour, so this is a 144 million dollar contribution to the Obama campaign. 400,000 x 8 x 40 = $144,000,000.

    And the "reformer" scream bloody murder over contributions from corporations of a few thousand.  Jim Bopp

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