[EL] Lead Penn Voter ID Plaintiff gets her ID

Fri Aug 17 07:42:26 PDT 2012

I am completely onboard with the proposal. My concern has always been that,
just like only American money should influence our elections, only
Americans should vote in them. I think it would be money well spent for the
federal government to create a national, unified system that was portable
for people so that, when they moved, their registration followed them. I
think the proposal is brilliant, even though it happens to be YOU who is
advocating for it. :-)

Joe
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:

>  Government-run registration would also eliminate most voter registration
> fraud, such as the fraudulent cards sometimes turned in by ACORN workers
> and others, and the dumping of Democratic voter cards, as allegedly
> occurred in Nevada by the Sproul group in 2004.
>
>
> On 8/17/12 7:30 AM, Rick Hasen wrote:
>
> That's probably the first time that has happened on this list. :-)
> A national card would also deter the problem of double voting in two
> states, something which happens on occasion (such as with voters who live
> in different states in summer and winter).
> But I like to say that my proposal has united Democrats and
> Republicans---against it.  Democrats don't like the i.d. part, Republicans
> don't like the national/federal involvement, and civil libertarians and
> immigration groups don't like the national i.d. card (much less with a
> thumb print).
>
> On 8/17/12 7:26 AM, Joe La Rue wrote:
>
> Rick, my apologies for my assumption. I didn't know that. I would support
> your proposal. I think that's a good idea.
>
> Joe
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> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Joe,
>> You may not know this, but I actually favor a national voter
>> identification card (with optional thumbprint---you can't leave your thumb
>> at home), coupled with free and universal voter registration conducted by
>> the federal government through an independent agency.  When someone turns
>> 18, graduates or drops out of college, they get a unique voter number which
>> follows them when they move so that they do not need to do more to update
>> registration than submit a change of address to the post office.
>> This is an area where the more uniformity in the rules for running
>> elections, and the less discretion in the hands of local election officials
>> (who often lack adequate resources or training), the better.
>> The goal should be to ensure that all eligible voters, and only eligible
>> voters, can cast a vote which will be accurately counted.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On 8/17/12 7:20 AM, Joe La Rue wrote:
>>
>> I agree, Rick, with your hope that the State sets appropriate guidelines
>> to aid this process. Although you and I disagree as to whether there ought
>> to be voter photo ID laws, we are in complete agreement that ALL eligible
>> Americans should be allowed to vote.
>>
>> Joe
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>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>  I hope that the state has set forth uniform rules for how to take age
>>> and other factors into consideration.  One thing studies have demonstrated
>>> is that there is not uniformity in local election administration, when
>>> local election officials are given discretion over how to administer the
>>> rules.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/17/12 7:15 AM, Joe La Rue wrote:
>>>
>>>  Interesting development in the Penn Voter ID case: the lead plaintiff,
>>> who said she wouldn't be allowed to get an ID, just got one<http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news/breaking/&id=166490216&viewAll=y>.
>>>
>>>
>>> *The day after a judge upheld Pennsylvania's new voter identification
>>> law, the lead plaintiff in the suit seeking to block the law went to a
>>> PennDot office and was issued the photo ID card she needs to vote.*
>>>
>>> *Nothing has changed since Viviette Applewhite, 93, testified in July.
>>> The law stands. She still doesn't have a driver's license or Social
>>> Security card. The name on her birth certificate is still different from
>>> the name on her other documents - all of which, under the law, should have
>>> barred her from getting her photo ID.*
>>> *But at precisely 1:16 p.m. Thursday, she got it anyway.*
>>>
>>> The State did just what has been saying it would do: it took "age and
>>> other factors into consideration" and got this lady her ID so she could
>>> vote. I wonder if the other plaintiffs might be able to do the same thing?
>>>
>>> Joe
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