[EL] Lead Penn Voter ID Plaintiff gets her ID

[William Groth]

The issue didn't come up in Crawford since the plaintiffs were all
organizational, and there was no evidentiary hearings--the case was decided
on cross motions for summary judgment.  However, I often accompany clients
or witnesses to the Indianapolis federal courthouse who did not have or
forgot to bring photo ID.  In every one of those instances, courthouse
security has allowed me to verify the identity of the persons accompanying
me and with only minimal delay has given them unrestricted access.  

William R. Groth
Fillenwarth Dennerline Groth & Towe, LLP
429 E. Vermont Street, Ste. 200
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Telephone: (317) 353-9363
Fax: (317) 351-7232
E-mail:  wgroth at fdgtlaborlaw.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
[mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
McDonald
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:20 PM
To: law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Lead Penn Voter ID Plaintiff gets her ID

Since this is relevant to my earlier posting on this same thread: John Fund
claims id is necessary to enter a federal building. How did plaintiffs enter
a federal courthouse to testify in the Crawford litigation?

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Dr. Michael P. McDonald
Associate Professor, George Mason University Non-Resident Senior Fellow,
Brookings Institution

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From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
[mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of John
Meyer
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:44 PM
To: law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Lead Penn Voter ID Plaintiff gets her ID

I think many of you may have read this, but it is relevant to the question
of need for voter ID requirements with specific reference to Pennsylvania as
it includes reference to an actual, recent look at various voting
irregularities in Philadelphia:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314273/voter-fraud-keystone-state-joh
n-fund

	I certainly am not an expert on Pennsylvania voter problems, but it
is well-known in political circles that both parties used to have areas
where they would manufacture votes by various methods. with the demise of
big-city Republican machines, the tendency became more party-specific -- and
even more so with the collapse of some of the Republican suburban machines,
such as Nassau county in New York (I don't know if Nassau County R's
actually manufactured votes or if they only followed the 1% of salary for
all public employees tradition).  Anyway, I do recommend the article.   

________________________________________
From: Jon Roland <jon.roland at constitution.org>
To: law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [EL] Lead Penn Voter ID Plaintiff gets her ID

In general there are no requirements for a plaintiff to prove identity to
file a case, in any jurisdiction. Identification comes in with being a
witness and providing evidence, such as presenting an affidavit, which must
be sworn before a notary or other designated verifier. Of course, the
attorney will be expected to provide his name, address, and bar card number,
but he will usually not have to otherwise prove he is who he says he is, and
his client can be a "John Doe". Even a witness may be anonymous with the
consent of the court. 

The elevation of personal identity to the importance accorded it today is an
innovation in our legal tradition. Historically it has had much less
importance, usually where ownership of property was involved.

On 08/17/2012 11:07 AM, Michael McDonald wrote: 
The state of Pennsylvania has a more strict identification law for voting
than to be a plaintiff in a case?

-- Jon

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