[EL] Mitt's returns & Obama's records: did the Vice-Chair of the Us Civil Rights Commission really write that message?

Mon Aug 20 05:00:37 PDT 2012

Thank you very much.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:

> The answer to whether the President did a senior thesis is easily found
> online (he didn’t, but did a lengthy seminar paper on Soviet nuclear
> disarmament), so can we please return this list to matters of election
> law?  There are many things which are interesting to discuss which have
> nothing to do with the purpose of this list.****
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> *From:* law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:
> law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] *On Behalf Of *Abigail
> Thernstrom
> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 1:05 AM
> *To:* Jamin Raskin
> *Cc:* Election Law
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Mitt's returns & Obama's records: did the Vice-Chair
> of the Us Civil Rights Commission really write that message?****
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>             This is almost funny.  I suggest you do not, in the future,
> question my academic credentials.  Harvard Ph.D., Department of Government.
>  Author of two books on minority voting rights, the first one of which
> received numerous academic prizes, including one of the ABA's two annual
> book awards. I have a long law review article on voting rights coming out
> in the near future -- not the first time I have placed my work in a good
> law journal.****
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>             I hate to lower myself by answering your Limbaugh/Beck
> charge, but I have never laid eyes on a Glenn Beck show and never listen to
> Limbaugh.****
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>             Have you no shame, sir?****
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>             And are you so devoid of interest in American history that
> you think both the personal and political history of an important president
> is not a legitimate topic to explore?****
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>             Enough said -- indeed, too much said.  Going to bed and then
> first thing in the morning departing on vacation. So these were my last
> words on this subject.****
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>             AT****
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> Abigail Thernstrom****
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> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Jamin Raskin wrote:****
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> At a moment when voting rights are being threatened in numerous states,
> hate group activity is on the rise, and murderous hate violence is
> traumatizing many communities in the nation, I find it astonishing and
> deeply revealing that the Vice-Chair of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission
> has the time and inclination to post a message to a Listserv designed for
> academics and lawyers who study the intricacies of election law
> hypothesizing wildly that the President of the United States wrote his
> college thesis "celebrating the Black Panthers."  If Ms. Thernstrom's email
> account has been hacked by Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh and put to this
> embarrassing and pathetic partisan task, then I offer in advance a humble
> apology for having suggested that she misapprehends the whole purpose of
> this group, to say nothing of the public office she holds.
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>      --JBR
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> On Aug 19, 2012, at 11:44 PM, "Abigail Thernstrom" <
> thernstr at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:****
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>             I want to see the record.  What did he write his senior
> thesis on? Supposed it was devoted to celebrating the Black Panthers; might
> be telling -- or at least of interest.  He writes in Dreams that he sought
> out Marxist professors; what was their influence on him in those formative
> years? He's hiding something! Perhaps trivial, but there has to be a reason
> of some sort for the secrecy.****
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>             Abby****
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> On Aug 19, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Joe La Rue wrote:****
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> In answer to Estelle Rogers, these records have been sought -- repeatedly
> -- as far back as during the leadup to the 2008 presidential election<http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/>.
> Mr. Obama, however, has refused to allow them to be released<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html>.
> The question, of course, is, *why*? One supposes that it is not because
> his grades were bad. He was, after all, granted admission first to Columbia
> and then Harvard Law, which doesn't normally happen to those with subpar
> grades. So, if it's not grades, what is it in the records that Mr. Obama
> does not want the public to see? ****
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> I don't know; I haven't seen the records. But one suggestion that I think
> plausible is that the president enrolled at Columbia as a foreign student
> from Indonesia and accepted aid designated for foreign students. If that is
> so, that would amount to fraud, wouldn't it (assuming, of course, that he
> was a United States citizen)? And, Brian Landsberg, if the future president
> claimed to be a foreign national, that might have implications for election
> law, wouldn't it? For an interesting explanation of this theory, see
> http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%e2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/
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> Of course, that whole theory might be rubbish. President Obama might have
> listed himself as a U.S. citizen when he attended Columbia, and he may have
> completely innocent reasons for not wanting anyone to see his records. Or
> perhaps he just thinks it's nobody's business. Regardless, Mr. Obama won't
> release the records. And, that is his right: there is no law requiring him
> to release these records. My original email was to highlight the hypocrisy
> of the president, who refuses to release his own records while demanding
> that Mr. Romney release records he, likewise, is not required to release. I
> also wanted to highlight the hypocrisy of the media, which is engaged in a
> full-court-press vetting of Mr. Romney, but has left many questions about
> Mr. Obama unvetted and unanswered. ****
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> Finally, Ms. Rogers, the "U. of Columbia" was obviously meant to be
> Columbia University. I was typing quickly, on an iPhone, and simply got the
> name wrong. ****
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> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Brian Landsberg <blandsberg at pacific.edu>
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> Finally, one might hope, what does this have to do with election law?
>  Nothing, I would venture.
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> Sent from my iPhone****
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> On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "Estelle Rogers" <erogers at projectvote.org>
> wrote:****
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> Not to mention, what is the U. of Columbia?  And if the records from said
> institution, whatever and wherever it is, are so interesting to Mr. La Rue,
> why weren't they sought the first time Obama ran for elective office, or
> the second, or the third?  And why, pray tell, haven't you asked for the
> President's kindergarten transcript?  Who knows what evil is lurking there?
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> On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:06 PM, "henry weinstein" <
> henryelliotweinstein at gmail.com> wrote:****
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> Pardon my curiosity but just what sort of fraud do you have in mind
> regarding Obama's Columbia records? His grades from his time at Occidental
> College (the college he attended before transferring to Columbia)? His
> grades at Columbia? ****
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> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Joe La Rue <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
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> Interesting theory the Guardian has about Mitt. Of course, they fail to
> say that Mitt has no legal obligation to release the tax returns Obama
> wants. Regardless, I have a proposition: how about Mitt agree to release
> the returns, right after Obama releases his records from the U of Columbia,
> including his admissions records. He's been hiding those with nary a word
> from the media. Some of us think there must be a reason he's hiding them.
> There are several non-Birther theories to explain why Obama doesn't want us
> to see those records, each of which, if true, might derail the President's
> re-election (and at least one of which would implicate the president in
> fraud). So, let's see media calls for Obama to release his records, too.
> Then Mitt can release his returns. Sound fair? ****
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> “Mitt Romney’s tax returns: the ‘voter fraud’ theory”<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=38771>
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> Posted on August 17, 2012 9:01 pm <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=38771>
>  by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>****
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> The Guardian <http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/17/mitt-romney-tax-returns-voter-fraud-theory?newsfeed=true>reports
> with the subhead: “There has been much speculation about why Romney refuses
> to disclose earlier tax returns. Could it be as simple as an address?”****
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