[EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms

[Joe La Rue]

Adam,

I don't want to be misunderstood. I really do sympathize with Mrs. Lee and
those like her. But I remain strongly in favor of photo ID laws for voting.
Few things are more important to our Republic than who we elect as our
representatives. I want every American citizen to be able to vote; but, I
want *absolutely no *non-citizen to be able to vote, just like I (and I
presume you) want no foreign money to influence our elections. These are *
our* elections, and they should be decided by Americans, and non-Americans
should play no part.
We have over twelve million people in this country illegally - some suggest
the number is significantly more than twelve million. There is no
fool-proof way to ensure that none of them vote. But requiring photo
identification is surely a major step in the right direction.

So while I truly am sympathetic to Mrs. Lee and the small number
of citizens who are like her, I oppose efforts to role back voter ID laws,
which, I believe, are necessary to combat voter fraud.

Joe
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:

> Lawyers can walk and chew gum at the same time, and lawyers in
> Pennsylvania are working *both* on striking down this law under the
> Pennsylvania Constitution to help all the Mrs Lees at once, while also
> helping voters obtain valid IDs in the interim.  But that still doesn’t fix
> the question of those voters who simply CAN NOT obtain valid photo IDs.  *
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> How many Mrs Lees would there need to be before you’d recognize this
> burden as excessive?****
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> *From:* Joe La Rue [mailto:joseph.e.larue at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:31 PM
>
> *To:* Adam Bonin
> *Cc:* Salvador Peralta; Dan Johnson; Election Law
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to
> distribute voter reg forms****
>
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>
> Adam,****
>
>  ****
>
> You said that "in terms of how many Mrs. Lees there are," and then gave me
> a statistic showing 27.4 % of Philadelphia voters over the age of 80 lack
> photo IDs. But that doesn't make them like Mrs. Lee, who is *unable* to
> obtain a photo ID because she lacks a birth certificate. I find it a
> challenge to the credulous to suppose that any significant portion of this
> 27.4% are like Mrs. Lee.****
>
>  ****
>
> You have, however, demonstrated what I suggested earlier that progressives
> do: you have taken one example (Mrs. Lee) and conflated her into a
> parade-of-horribles, suggesting that 27.4% of Philadelphia voters over 80
> are just like her. It's a great scare tactic, but it's simply not true. **
> **
>
>  ****
>
> As for why it is a progressive lawyer's responsibility to help Mrs. Lee
> and not mine, I only meant that it seems it would be a better use of time
> to actually *help *Mrs. Lee, rather than merely *using *her as a
> poster-child for your opposition to Republicans' common sense solution to
> possible voter fraud. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Joe
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> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:****
>
> I didn’t realize that “maybe she could get a progressive lawyer” was a
> response of a constitutional dimension when it came to abridging the
> fundamental right to vote.   Maybe Real Truth About Abortion, could get a
> pro bono lawyer to comply with all those horrible, onerous political
> committee registration laws and stop suing the FEC.    Actually, why is it
> a progressive lawyer’s interest any more than it is yours?  Don’t you want
> to see her vote?  If not, why not?  (And what could “contact the State of
> Georgia” do when she’s already been doing that for ten years?  They have NO
> RECORD of her birth.)****
>
>  ****
>
> In terms of how many Mrs Lees there are, 27.4% of registered and active
> (voted in the last four years) Philadelphia voters over the age of 80
> presently lack PennDOT-issued photo ID: http://t.co/tRsm9URv****
>
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> [image: Description: Click image to enlarge.]****
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> --Adam****
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>  ****
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> *From:* Joe La Rue [mailto:joseph.e.larue at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:01 PM
> *To:* Adam Bonin
> *Cc:* Salvador Peralta; Dan Johnson; Election Law****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to
> distribute voter reg forms****
>
>  ****
>
> Adam,****
>
> I have great sympathy for people like Mrs. Lee, and I acknowledge there
> are some like her. However, I think progressives have turned the few
> examples like Mrs. Lee into a parade-of-horribles, in an effort to
> frustrate a very common sense solution to the possibility that non-citizens
> may be voting. Let's admit that, just as there are few documented cases of
> fraudulent voting, there are also few Mrs. Lees. However, there is a great
> potential for much fraudulent voting so long as we do not have photo ID
> requirements, but not a great potential for many Mrs. Lees.****
>
>  ****
>
> That said, that doesn't help the few Mrs. Lees who are out there. What's
> the answer for them? May I suggest that those progressive attorneys who
> spend so much time arguing against voter ID laws instead give some of it
> pro bono to Mrs. Lee and contact the state of Georgia on her behalf, as
> well as her Senator and Representative, and get her situation taken care
> of. It seems to me that would be a better use of time. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Joe
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> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:****
>
> Joe,****
>
> Wilola Lee, 59, was born in rural Wilkerson County, Georgia. She was
> raised by her grandmother, who moved her to Philadelphia in 1957, where she
> has lived ever since. Ms. Lee finished the eleventh grade, married, and
> raised two children, one of whom is a former school principal and now works
> for the Pennsylvania state government. Ms. Lee worked for the Philadelphia
> Public Schools for many years, including work with special needs children.
> Her husband passed away six years ago. Ms. Lee has been voting for decades
> and worked as a poll worker in the city of Philadelphia. She has been
> trying for nearly ten years to get a birth certificate that she will need
> to get a photo ID to vote, but the state of Georgia has told her they have
> no record of her birth. She’s been voting in nearly every election for the
> past 30+ years, but cannot get photo ID to vote in PA this year.****
>
> She’s not a stupid woman, Joe, and I’ll assume you’re a pretty smart guy.
> Tell us how she’s supposed to obtain a photo ID sufficient to comply with
> Pennsylvania law.****
>
> (Similar examples here:
> http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/applewhiteetalvcommonwealt/voteridclients.htm
> )****
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> *From:* Joe La Rue <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com>
> *To:* Dan Johnson <dan at kchrlaw.com>
> *Cc:* Election Law <law-election at uci.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:40 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to
> distribute voter reg forms****
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> I laugh aloud at the silly progressives, like those who issued this press
> release, who assert that Republicans push for voter ID is un-American and a
> war on voting. What rhetoric! And what complete nonsense. ****
>
>  ****
>
> This supposes that placing sensible restrictions on who can vote is
> contrary to our American values. Yet we've always had such
> restrictions. The Founders created a system in which many states allowed
> only property owners to vote. Were the Founders un-American? Today, in
> every state and federal election, only those 18 and older may vote, and
> only those who live in the jurisdiction in question may vote. Are we all
> un-American for those requirements?****
>
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> In this age in which we have some 12 million people in our country
> illegally and therefore ineligible to vote, Republicans are trying to
> institute a common sense safeguard. Requiring voter ID helps assure only
> citizens cast ballots. Efforts to block voter ID only frustrate that goal.
> Perhaps that's the true progressive end game: perhaps they want
> non-citizens to be able to vote. Regardless, their fight against common
> sense voter ID laws makes it more likely that some will.****
>
>  ****
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> Contrary to progressive claims, Republicans aren't trying to keep
> minorities from voting. Unlike progressives, we believe minority citizens
> are smart and capable and certainly not too stupid to figure out how to get
> an ID if they don't already have one. In short, we Republicans believe
> minority race citizens are just as capable as white people and so do not
> need to be coddled. Progressives, though, have such a low view of
> minorities that they cannot imagine them having the intelligence and
> capability to acquire IDs, and instead insist that ID laws will
> disenfranchise them. I, for one, abhor that type of prejudice.****
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Dan Johnson <dan at kchrlaw.com> wrote:****
>
> Innovative news on the voter registration front (the attack back in the
> War on Voting continues)...****
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> *From:* Progressive Advocacy <dan at ProgressivePublicAffairs.com>
> *Date:* July 18, 2012 7:14:51 PM CDT
> *To:* dan at ProgressivePublicAffairs.com
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> Madison WI and Washington State attack back on the war on voting
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> Fantastic news.
>
> Progressive state and local governments are attacking back on the
> Republican's anti-American war on voting by implementing forward-thinking
> laws and policies that reduce the barriers between citizens and their
> ballots.
>
> Yesterday, the Madison (WI) City Council passed an ordinance adding the voter
> registration form to the pile of paper documents that landlords must
> distribute to tenants when they move in. This is now law, just in time for
> the August move-in for UW-Madison students. Half the housing units in
> Madison are rental units and a large percentage of those units turn over
> every year.
>
> As Alder Bridget Maniaci, the lead sponsor of the proposal explains,
> providing voter registration information to citizens when they move into a
> new place makes sense, since that's when people are changing their address
> (and they are probably unaware that they must proactively tell some obscure
> unit of local government they have moved in order to vote months later). From
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> The way citizens in the United States vote is based on where they live,
> Maniaci adds, which means it is sensible to provide them with voting
> information when they change addresses.
> "To provide to tenants voter registration forms at the time they move in,
> when most individuals are in the process of changing all of their other
> household information, everything from Netflix to their post-office address
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> As a bonus, getting citizens to register to vote early is cheaper for the
> city clerk to process than registering people in the crunch leading up to
> the election, so distributing these voter registration forms will save
> taxpayers some money.
>
> On the West Coast, Washington State's Secretary of State is unveiling an
> app that will allow users to register to vote through Facebook. Since
> Washington State already uses online voter registration, pulling the data
> from a user's Facebook account and importing it into the voter registration
> program will make it easier for people to register -- and people can tell
> their friends about how they registered to vote, creating more of a social
> norm of democratic self-governance through participation.
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> Fathers, coincidentally) for further implementing the great democratic
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