[EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms

[Richard Winger]

California drivers licenses take weeks to be replaced.  One does get a temporary license but it doesn't have a picture.

Richard Winger

415-922-9779

PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

--- On Thu, 7/19/12, Joe La Rue <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe La Rue <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms
To: richardwinger at yahoo.com
Cc: "Trevor Potter" <tpotter at capdale.com>, "Election Law" <law-election at uci.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 4:20 PM

IDs can be quickly replaced, Richard. Unless I'm missing something, this is a bit of a red herring.
 
Joe
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com> wrote:

Some of these laws require the voter to return to the county elections office in a few days and show the ID, which might still be lost.


Richard Winger

415-922-9779

PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

--- On Thu, 7/19/12, Joe La Rue <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joe La Rue <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms
To: richardwinger at yahoo.com

Cc: "Trevor Potter" <tpotter at capdale.com>, "Election Law" <law-election at uci.edu>

Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 4:17 PM

Richard,Every voter ID law of which I am aware has a provision for people to vote provisionally if they lack proper identification when they arrive at the polling cite. Are there laws out there that do not provide for such occurrences?

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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com> wrote:


Anyone might lose his or her wallet or purse immediately prior to voting.  It could happen to anyone.  I doubt any adult has gone through life and never once misplaced or lost his or her government photo-ID.



Why should the ability to vote be subject to the vagaries of temporarily losing a piece of paper or plastic?

Richard Winger

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PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

--- On Thu, 7/19/12, Trevor Potter <tpotter at capdale.com> wrote:



From: Trevor Potter <tpotter at capdale.com>
Subject: Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms


To: "Joe La Rue" <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com>
Cc: "Election Law" <law-election at uci.edu>


Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 4:04 PM

I  understood  that non-citizens could get drivers licenses. Is that wring?  If nit,  how does possession of a drivers license ensure only citizens vote?



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On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:57 PM, "Joe La Rue" <joseph.e.larue at gmail.com> wrote:



Adam,I don't want to be misunderstood. I really do sympathize with Mrs. Lee and those like her. But I remain strongly in favor of photo ID laws for voting. Few things are more important to our Republic than who we elect as our representatives. I want every American citizen to be able to vote; but, I want absolutely no non-citizen to be able to vote, just like I (and I presume you) want no foreign money to influence our elections. These are our elections, and they should be decided by Americans, and non-Americans should play no part. 


We have over twelve million people in this country illegally - some suggest the number is significantly more than twelve million. There is no fool-proof way to ensure that none of them vote. But requiring photo identification is surely a major step in the right direction.


 So while I truly am sympathetic to Mrs. Lee and the small number of citizens who are like her, I oppose efforts to role back voter ID laws, which, I believe, are necessary to combat voter fraud.


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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:



Lawyers can walk and chew gum at the same time, and lawyers in Pennsylvania are working both on striking down this law under the Pennsylvania Constitution to help all the Mrs Lees at once, while also helping voters obtain valid IDs in the interim.  But that still doesn’t fix the question of those voters who simply CAN NOT obtain valid photo IDs.  


 How many Mrs Lees would there need to be before you’d recognize this burden as excessive?


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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:31 PM
To: Adam Bonin
Cc: Salvador Peralta; Dan Johnson; Election Law
Subject: Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms


 Adam,
 You said that "in terms of how many Mrs. Lees there are," and then gave me a statistic showing 27.4 % of Philadelphia voters over the age of 80 lack photo IDs. But that doesn't make them like Mrs. Lee, who is unable to obtain a photo ID because she lacks a birth certificate. I find it a challenge to the credulous to suppose that any significant portion of this 27.4% are like Mrs. Lee.


 You have, however, demonstrated what I suggested earlier that progressives do: you have taken one example (Mrs. Lee) and conflated her into a parade-of-horribles, suggesting that 27.4% of Philadelphia voters over 80 are just like her. It's a great scare tactic, but it's simply not true. 


 As for why it is a progressive lawyer's responsibility to help Mrs. Lee and not mine, I only meant that it seems it would be a better use of time to actually help Mrs. Lee, rather than merely using her as a poster-child for your opposition to Republicans' common sense solution to possible voter fraud. 


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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:


I didn’t realize that “maybe she could get a progressive lawyer” was a response of a constitutional dimension when it came to abridging the fundamental right to vote.   Maybe Real Truth About Abortion, could get a pro bono lawyer to comply with all those horrible, onerous political committee registration laws and stop suing the FEC.    Actually, why is it a progressive lawyer’s interest any more than it is yours?  Don’t you want to see her vote?  If not, why not?  (And what could “contact the State of Georgia” do when she’s already been doing that for ten years?  They have NO RECORD of her birth.)


 In terms of how many Mrs Lees there are, 27.4% of registered and active (voted in the last four years) Philadelphia voters over the age of 80 presently lack PennDOT-issued photo ID: http://t.co/tRsm9URv


 


 --Adam
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:01 PM
To: Adam Bonin
Cc: Salvador Peralta; Dan Johnson; Election Law
Subject: Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms


 Adam,I have great sympathy for people like Mrs. Lee, and I acknowledge there are some like her. However, I think progressives have turned the few examples like Mrs. Lee into a parade-of-horribles, in an effort to frustrate a very common sense solution to the possibility that non-citizens may be voting. Let's admit that, just as there are few documented cases of fraudulent voting, there are also few Mrs. Lees. However, there is a great potential for much fraudulent voting so long as we do not have photo ID requirements, but not a great potential for many Mrs. Lees.


 That said, that doesn't help the few Mrs. Lees who are out there. What's the answer for them? May I suggest that those progressive attorneys who spend so much time arguing against voter ID laws instead give some of it pro bono to Mrs. Lee and contact the state of Georgia on her behalf, as well as her Senator and Representative, and get her situation taken care of. It seems to me that would be a better use of time. 


 Joe
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 On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Adam Bonin <adam at boninlaw.com> wrote:


Joe,
Wilola Lee, 59, was born in rural Wilkerson County, Georgia. She was raised by her grandmother, who moved her to Philadelphia in 1957, where she has lived ever since. Ms. Lee finished the eleventh grade, married, and raised two children, one of whom is a former school principal and now works for the Pennsylvania state government. Ms. Lee worked for the Philadelphia Public Schools for many years, including work with special needs children. Her husband passed away six years ago. Ms. Lee has been voting for decades and worked as a poll worker in the city of Philadelphia. She has been trying for nearly ten years to get a birth certificate that she will need to get a photo ID to vote, but the state of Georgia has told her they have no record of her birth. She’s been voting in nearly every election for the past 30+ years, but cannot get photo ID to vote in PA this year.


She’s not a stupid woman, Joe, and I’ll assume you’re a pretty smart guy.  Tell us how she’s supposed to obtain a photo ID sufficient to comply with Pennsylvania law.


(Similar examples here: http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/applewhiteetalvcommonwealt/voteridclients.htm)


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To: Dan Johnson <dan at kchrlaw.com> 
Cc: Election Law <law-election at uci.edu> 


Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:40 AM

Subject: Re: [EL] Madison (WI) new law this week requiring landlords to distribute voter reg forms 
I laugh aloud at the silly progressives, like those who issued this press release, who assert that Republicans push for voter ID is un-American and a war on voting. What rhetoric! And what complete nonsense. 


 This supposes that placing sensible restrictions on who can vote is contrary to our American values. Yet we've always had such restrictions. The Founders created a system in which many states allowed only property owners to vote. Were the Founders un-American? Today, in every state and federal election, only those 18 and older may vote, and only those who live in the jurisdiction in question may vote. Are we all un-American for those requirements?


 In this age in which we have some 12 million people in our country illegally and therefore ineligible to vote, Republicans are trying to institute a common sense safeguard. Requiring voter ID helps assure only citizens cast ballots. Efforts to block voter ID only frustrate that goal. Perhaps that's the true progressive end game: perhaps they want non-citizens to be able to vote. Regardless, their fight against common sense voter ID laws makes it more likely that some will.


 Contrary to progressive claims, Republicans aren't trying to keep minorities from voting. Unlike progressives, we believe minority citizens are smart and capable and certainly not too stupid to figure out how to get an ID if they don't already have one. In short, we Republicans believe minority race citizens are just as capable as white people and so do not need to be coddled. Progressives, though, have such a low view of minorities that they cannot imagine them having the intelligence and capability to acquire IDs, and instead insist that ID laws will disenfranchise them. I, for one, abhor that type of prejudice.



On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Dan Johnson <dan at kchrlaw.com> wrote:


Innovative news on the voter registration front (the attack back in the War on Voting continues)...


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Date: July 18, 2012 7:14:51 PM CDT
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Madison WI and Washington State attack back on the war on voting 


Posted: 17 Jul 2012 10:45 PM PDT


Fantastic news.




Progressive state and local governments are attacking back on the Republican's anti-American war on voting by implementing forward-thinking laws and policies that reduce the barriers between citizens and their ballots.




Yesterday, the Madison (WI) City Council passed an ordinance adding the voter registration form to the pile of paper documents that landlords must distribute to tenants when they move in. This is now law, just in time for the August move-in for UW-Madison students. Half the housing units in Madison are rental units and a large percentage of those units turn over every year.




As Alder Bridget Maniaci, the lead sponsor of the proposal explains, providing voter registration information to citizens when they move into a new place makes sense, since that's when people are changing their address (and they are probably unaware that they must proactively tell some obscure unit of local government they have moved in order to vote months later). From the Isthmus:


The way citizens in the United States vote is based on where they live, Maniaci adds, which means it is sensible to provide them with voting information when they change addresses.



"To provide to tenants voter registration forms at the time they move in, when most individuals are in the process of changing all of their other household information, everything from Netflix to their post-office address to the DMV, that's a very natural time to do this," she says.


As a bonus, getting citizens to register to vote early is cheaper for the city clerk to process than registering people in the crunch leading up to the election, so distributing these voter registration forms will save taxpayers some money.




On the West Coast, Washington State's Secretary of State is unveiling an app that will allow users to register to vote through Facebook. Since Washington State already uses online voter registration, pulling the data from a user's Facebook account and importing it into the voter registration program will make it easier for people to register -- and people can tell their friends about how they registered to vote, creating more of a social norm of democratic self-governance through participation.




Congratulations to Washington and Madison (named after two Founding Fathers, coincidentally) for further implementing the great democratic spirit of our American Republic.
 


 


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