[EL] The Federalist Papers and Anonymity

JBoppjr at aol.com JBoppjr at aol.com
Fri Jun 1 08:44:19 PDT 2012


Regarding: "The Federalist Papers were written in  1788, well after the 
American Revolution victory over King George III’s  government."  Yes, I knew 
that, but I liked the rhetorical  flourish! 
 
    In any event, my point was that Rick might  want them strung up for 
speaking out against the Articles of Confederation,  since his point is that 
anonymous speech is wrong since people don't get to  punish them for it.
 
    And I believe that nearly all of the signers of the  Declaration of 
Independence did indeed suffer severe retaliation for doing so,  which seems to 
be a result that might please Rick.
 
Jim Bopp
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2012 10:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mmcdon at gmu.edu writes:

The  Federalist Papers were written in 1788, well after the American 
Revolution  victory over King George III’s government. The phrase “sign your John 
Hancock”  is associated with the non-anonymous speech of signing the 
Declaration of  Independence, which was more likely to result in retaliation by 
King George  III.

The Federalists were arguing for a stronger government than what  existed 
under the failed Articles of Confederation, America’s first  constitutional 
government, a weak government incapable of performing its  necessary 
functions. So, the Federalists were in some measure proponents of  greater federal 
government power, hence their name, Federalists. It was the  Anti-Federalists 
who were those that were more distrustful of federal power  and favored 
more power in the hands of the states and the people. Our original  
constitution did not have a First Amendment protecting free speech. The Bill  of Rights 
was adopted in conciliation to the Anti-Federalists. The authors of  the 
Federalists Papers did not believe that the provisions in what would  become 
the Bill of Rights were necessary, including the First Amendment  Freedom of 
Speech.

The authors of the Federalists Papers were not in  fear of reprisal for 
authoring the essays. The three were well known for their  support of the 
proposed constitution; Madison was its author. The authors of  the Federalist 
Papers used anonymity so that Anti-Federalists could not make a  connection to 
the personal interests of the authors when rebutting the essays.  Still, at 
the time, many people correctly guessed who the authors were.  Ironically, 
in light of Jim's impassioned defense of anonymity, we might have  had a 
federal government with weaker powers if the authors had not written  
anonymously under Publius. 

There is a cogent argument that one can  draw from the Federalist Papers 
example about the value of anonymous speech to  protect against ad hominem 
arguments, but there is no basis to argue that the  three authors feared 
retribution from King George  III.

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Dr. Michael P. McDonald
Associate Professor,  George Mason University
Non-Resident Senior Fellow, Brookings  Institution

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Subject: Re: [EL] ELB News and  Commentary 6/1/12

Things have certainly changed.   The First Amendment contemplates that the 
citizens are free to participate in  their government and that the 
government is thereby to be held accountable to  the citizens.

Now, it is the government holding the  citizens accountable for 
participating in their government, as Rick says:  "Those with power want to wield it 
without being accountable for their  actions." He wants speech only if there 
are consequences to the speaker. I  guess he wants the Founders strung up for 
publishing the Federalist and  Anti-Federalist anonymously.  Well at least 
King George III certainly  did. And how about Mrs McIntyre, who not even 
Justice Stevens wanted to be  punished by the school board.  

As this debate goes  on, at least we now know plainly what the "reformers" 
have in mind for those  who dare to speak. Nothing about voter information. 
No bogus claim that there  will be no retaliation.  But a celebration of 
retaliation. And then what  a great democracy we would have!

Only the rich and powerful,  whose allies hold the levers of government 
power, would dare speak. It would  be helpful too if your allies control the 
media. Humm, am I describing current  America where liberals hold sway?  Is 
that why some liberals are all  fired up to bring it on!  Is this their last 
desperate attempt to hold  power -- threaten punishment of their "enemies" 
for daring to speak out?   

At least now, all the false facade has been stripped  away and the brave 
new world they contemplate has been revealed to all.   

Actually, it is a brave old world -- see Gangs of New  York if you want to 
see a window to our future democracy.  Jim  Bopp

In a message dated 6/1/2012 2:21:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rhasen at law.uci.edu writes:
“Citizens: Speech, no consequences” 
Posted  on May 31, 2012 11:20 pm by Rick Hasen 
I have just written this oped for  Politico.  It begins:
You’ve got to feel bad for the rich and powerful  in America. The U.S. 
Chamber of Commerce and a variety of big business groups  say if Congress goes 
back to letting the American people know who is behind  campaign attack ads, 
businesses will face the “palpable” threat of  “retaliation” and “
reprisals.”
Former Federal Election Commission Chairman  Bradley Smith warns in The 
Wall Street Journal that boycotts based on  political beliefs — made possible 
by the public disclosure of campaign finance  data — “endanger the very 
commerce that enriches us all.” Even the chief  justice of the United States, 
John Roberts, apparently is being “intimidated”  (Kathleen Parker), “pressured
” (George Will) and “threatened” (Rick Garnett)  by that most powerful 
force in America (law professor and New Republic legal  editor) Jeffrey Rosen.
On the right these days, the rhetoric is all about a  liberal siege. 
Despite Republicans’ majority in the House, its filibuster  power in the Senate, a 
sympathetic Supreme Court and the great power of  business groups — the 
language of threats is pervasive. But look beyond the  rhetoric and you can see 
what’s really going on: Those with power want to  wield it without being 
accountable for their actions.


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“FEC Deadlocks on  Candidate’s Request To Rule on His Plumbing Company’s 
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Bloomberg BNA: “The Federal Election  Commission deadlocked late May 30 on 
an advisory opinion request asking  whether FEC reporting and disclaimer 
rules regarding “electioneering  communications” apply to ads for a 
congressional candidate’s plumbing  company….The deadlock over the Mullin AO 
indicated that the FEC may have  trouble providing guidance to the regulated 
political community following the  recent court actions that beefed up reporting 
requirements for electioneering  communications.”

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“The  Corporate Disclosure Ruse” 
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Kimberly Strassel takes on Bruce Free’s Center for Political  Accoun
tability. This is apparently the second attack in two days and the fifth  in five 
months.  Sensing a pattern here?

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Will Tuesday’s Recall Results in Wisconsin Be an  “Omen” for President 
Obama in November? 
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NYT explores.

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Posted on May  31, 2012 11:08 pm by Rick Hasen 
NYT reports on Dewhurst-Cruz in  Texas.

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“U.S.  judge blocks key parts of Fla. law regulating voter registration” 
Posted  on May 31, 2012 11:05 pm by Rick Hasen 
WaPo reports.  MORE from  NYT.

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“DOJ eyes Florida voter roll purge of non-U.S. citizens”  
Posted on May 31, 2012 11:02 pm by Rick Hasen 
Politico  reports.

Posted in Department of Justice, voter registration, voting,  Voting Rights 
Act | Comments Off 
“Candidates use lawyers for early  battles’ 
Posted on May 31, 2012 11:00 pm by Rick Hasen 
TribLive:  “Pennsylvania candidates are increasingly turning to the courts 
to settle  election disputes — and vanquish opponents. State court 
administrators  reported on Thursday that Commonwealth Court, which deals with 
election  disputes involving candidates for a state office or higher, has handled 
a  record 131 election cases this year.”

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“Coalition challenges voter ID amendment” 
Posted on May 31, 2012  10:58 pm by Rick Hasen 
AP: “Four groups petitioned the Minnesota Supreme  Court on Wednesday to 
remove from the November ballot a proposed  constitutional amendment requiring 
voters to present photo IDs at the polls,  saying the language that voters 
will see doesn’t accurately describe the  amendment.”

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Off 
“Holder’s Chutzpah; Voter-ID laws are not about denying  access to blacks.”
 
Posted on May 31, 2012 10:57 pm by Rick Hasen  
Thomas Sowell has written this article for National Review  Online.

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Wars, voter id | Comments Off 
WaPo on Edwards 
Posted on May 31,  2012 7:45 pm by Rick Hasen 
Here.

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NYT on Edwards Verdict 
Posted  on May 31, 2012 6:16 pm by Rick Hasen 
Here.
MORE: Another High-Profile  Failure for a Justice Dept. Watchdog

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“Edwards case may have little  effect on campaign finance” 
Posted on May 31, 2012 6:14 pm by Rick Hasen  
The News and Observer reports.

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“Justice Department Demands Florida  Stop Purging Voter Rolls” 
Posted on May 31, 2012 6:10 pm by Rick Hasen  
TPM: “The Justice Department sent a letter to Florida Secretary of State  
Ken Detzner Thursday evening demanding the state cease purging its voting  
rolls because the process it is using has not been cleared under the Voting  
Rights Act, TPM has learned.”

Posted in Department of Justice, election  administration, The Voting Wars, 
voting, Voting Rights Act | Comments Off  
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Posted  on May 31, 2012 4:45 pm by Rick Hasen 
The CS Monitor  reports.

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See this AP report.   But the fact that the state may appeal is a good sign 
that this was more of a  win for plaintiffs.

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Gerstein on the Edwards Case 
Posted on May 31, 2012  4:38 pm by Rick Hasen 
Here.

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WSJ on Edwards Case 
Posted on May 31, 2012  4:35 pm by Rick Hasen 
Here.

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“John Edwards’ Might’ve Walked But Trial Still  A Warning For Politicians”
 
Posted on May 31, 2012 4:33 pm by Rick Hasen  
NPR reports.

Posted in campaign finance, chicanery, John Edwards |  Comments Off 
“A Cad Gets His Due; The world knows that John Edwards is  loathsome. That’
s enough.” 
Posted on May 31, 2012 3:34 pm by Rick Hasen  
Must-read Emily Bazelon on John Edwards.

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“‘Bad Kemo’ riles the  Sunshine State: Pre-emptive vote tampering 
threatens majority rule” 
Posted  on May 31, 2012 3:17 pm by Rick Hasen 
Hugh Carter Donohue has written this  oped for the Tallahassee News.

Posted in election administration, The  Voting Wars | Comments Off 
“Buddy Roemer quits 2012 race” 
Posted on  May 31, 2012 3:16 pm by Rick Hasen 
Politico reports.
The underreported  story so far of the presidential campaign: (Where) might 
Gary Johnson make a  difference?


Posted in ballot access, campaigns, third parties |  Comments Off 
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