[EL] Too Brave for the "Home of the Brave"?

Richard Winger richardwinger at yahoo.com
Tue May 1 11:23:50 PDT 2012


Rick's brief paragraph conflates two different concepts...his (your) first sentence relates to independent expenditures, and his (your) second and third sentences relate to donations.

Richard Winger

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--- On Tue, 5/1/12, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:

From: Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: [EL] Too Brave for the "Home of the Brave"?
To: "Steve Hoersting" <hoersting at gmail.com>
Cc: law-election at uci.edu
Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 11:08 AM


  

    
  
  
    Any human being associated with a corporation (who is a U.S.
    citizen) should have the right to spend money on elections.  And if
    they want to do so together to speak as the voice of the
    corporation, they can amply do so with a PAC.  As Justice Souter
    said in the context of the ban on corporate contributions in
    elections in FEC v. Beaumont, " A ban on direct corporate
    contributions leaves individual members of corporations free to make
    their own contributions, and deprives the public of little or no
    material information. "

    

    On 5/1/2012 11:01 AM, Steve Hoersting wrote:
    
      
      Rick,

      

      Thank you for the reply.

      

      I will think about your point that the ability of an independent
      speaker to choose anonymity can be worse than a system of
      compelled disclosure for all independent electoral speakers,
      though I don't lean that way.  Nonetheless, this point still
      leaves open the question of exemptions... of when they are
      triggered and acceptable.

      

      I don't believe, however, I'll be coming to the position that
      there is, on balance, a benefit in banning corporate electoral
      speakers to shield them from extortion.  Corporations are one of
      many associational forms; they are groups of people.  If they
      choose not to speak, fine.  But I believe the association has
      rights that cannot be reconciled with a ban.

      

      Banning the rights of the people to protect them from their
      representatives reverses the role of principal and agent.

      

      Best regards,

      

      Steve

      

      On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Rick
        Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu>
        wrote:

        
           Steve,

            Sorry for the late response---I've been travelling.  I don't
            think your post below adds anything to our earlier
            discussion (that is, I don't think we've done anything since
            the last time to convince each other to change our own
            positions).  I've yet to see compelling evidence in current
            times of economic retaliation by government actors based
            upon to whom they give/don't give money.

            But even if we suppose that this happens on a regular enough
            basis to worry about, I think that non-disclosure of
            campaign spending makes things WORSE, not better. The
            government actor could still demand that money be spent in
            support of a campaign or exact retribution.  But now the
            public is deprived of relevant information for elections and
            it is harder to ferret out corrupt deals end enforce other
            campaign finance laws, such as the ban on foreign money in
            elections.

            Even more importantly, the best way to deal with this
            problem might be to prevent corporations from making such
            spending so that they could not be extorted in this way.  I
            understand this is precisely why many large corporations
            supported the soft money provisions of BCRA.

            Rick
            
              

                

                On 4/27/12 9:04 AM, Steve Hoersting wrote: 
            
            
              
                 Dear Rick,

                  

                  When last you and I chatted about disclosure and its
                  exceptions, I closed on this point:

                  

                  But ask yourself, for a
                    later discussion: Can you imagine actions taken with
                    the aid of public disclosure that even "someone
                    important" [and I'm sure you meant J. Scalia] might
                    likely say is too much, even for "the Brave?"

                  
                  

                  Everyone discussing disclosure exemptions, Doe v.
                    Reed, Civic Courage and The Brave do so on the
                  premise of managing the problem of citizen-on-citizen
                  retribution.  But they ignore a quickly shifting
                  landscape.  The real question is quickly becoming
                  this: What about the rights of a potential speaker who
                  witnesses or reads of government-on-citizen
                  retribution visited on others?  This person wants to
                  participate in the election, but doesn't want to risk
                  being the next one made an example of.

                  

                  An op-ed today, by WSJ's Kim Strassel, brings
                  this issue to the fore.

                  

                  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304723304577368280604524916.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

                  

                  If the regulatory process is soon to be so divorced
                  from congressional budgetary processes and meaningful
                  judicial review -- and I am thinking now of the powers
                  vested in an IPAB or Dodd-Frank's new consumer czar --
                  the prospect of post hoc regulatory decisions,
                  made by winning officeholders who have already
                  demonstrated a willingness to reward friends and
                  frustrate opponents, can intimidate businessmen
                  deciding whether to speak at all in the election. 

                  

                  An answer to this drain on popular sovereignty is for
                  business-men and -women to 1) seek the Socialist
                    Workers exemption 2) to campaign disclosure of
                  independent communications (not candidate donations)
                  3) for potential speakers who 4) have observed the
                  actions of abusive officials of any party, want to
                  speak against them in the election, and do not want to
                  be "next."  These business men or women would file as
                  John Does or Jane Does to protect their anonymity
                  while the district court adjudicates their
                  application.  If the request is denied, they would
                  have the choice to proceed or stay silent -- forming a
                  record for appellate review.

                  

                  If no one receives the Socialist Workers
                  exemption from a district court, appellate courts will
                  have to consider that fact when revisiting not only Socialist
                    Workers' efficacy as a safety valve, but the
                  importance of "the informational interest" itself.  If
                  no lower court will grant the exemption, then, in the
                  new wave of regulatory power sure to come, the Carolene

                    Products compromise -- that economic
                  deprivations will not be handled in the courts but
                  rather in robust political processes -- is all but
                  dead.  

                  

                  Even after the Judicial Revolution of 1937, and
                  irrespective of who wins in November, regulatory power
                  is only legitimate if it is the result of robust
                  political processes.

                    

                  Now back to Scalia, our discussion, and the Home of
                  the Brave.  Where citizen-on-citizen intimidation is
                  facilitated by disclosure, as in the Prop 8 cases and
                  Doe v. Reed, Scalia wants citizens to toughen
                  up and get some "civic courage."  But I believe where
                  government-on-citizen intimidation is
                  facilitated by public disclosure Scalia would not look
                  favorably upon this at all.  Scalia knows our
                  Founders pledged their lives, fortunes and honor in
                  their 18th century campaign against the King.  But
                  these men were already acting outside the political
                  system of their day, not within it.  Their "Courage"
                  cannot be the model Scalia would hold businessmen to
                  while U.S. courts are open.  The reasonable
                  probability of government-on-citizen retribution can
                  be a difference in kind.

                  

                  It is conventional wisdom that Scalia likes what he
                  calls "real" constitutional law -- not just
                  adjudicating rights under the first ten amendments,
                  but deciding questions about relative power
                  distributed among co-equal branches.  Scalia would
                  recognize that, after 1937 and the Carolene
                  compromise of 1938, regulatory legitimacy derives
                  almost entirely from robust political processes.  I
                  have to believe he would understand that those asked
                  to speak electorally in an atmosphere of a probable
                  government retribution knowing their is a 50-50 chance
                  their side will lose the coming election are not
                  "Brave" but martyrs or fools.

                  

                  Most importantly, Scalia knows that when robustness is
                  chilled, the Carolene compromise itself is
                  called into question.  Not only are speech rights
                  deprived, the electoral crucible that ensures popular
                  sovereignty begins to produce tainted results; and the
                  very structure of government and relative power among
                  the branches risks being altered.

                  

                  This is a theory I will be promulgating when I get the
                  opportunity, in addition to this old op-ed.  http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/266623 
                  If anyone else wants to develop it, please be my
                  guest.

                  

                  -- 

                  Stephen M. Hoersting

                  

                  

                  
                  

                
              
              
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      Stephen M. Hoersting

      

    
    

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      Rick Hasen

      Chancellor's Professor of Law and Political Science

      UC Irvine School of Law

      401 E. Peltason Dr., Suite 1000

      Irvine, CA 92697-8000

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