[EL] Check out New O'Keefe video: Obama campaign staffer caught helping a...

Fri Oct 12 08:17:22 PDT 2012

Mr. Bopp:  If this ridiculous case wasn’t totally “concocted,” as I wrote, do you mean to say that the self-proclaimed “reporter,” who instigated the whole conversation and proposed the crime, is actually guilty of the criminal offense of voter fraud?  If this was voter fraud, both parties must be guilty of it, no?  Indeed, isn’t the person who actually casts two ballots more guilty than the accomplice?  Of course, if this is not voter fraud, then neither party is guilty.  (Criminal attempt presents other issues.) Recall that the “reporter” who was apparently in on the joke and instigated the whole thing, after all, is not a police officer or FBI agent who has the right to participate in criminal activity to catch others.  So either the ludicrous conversations caught on tape constitute a crime and both individuals are part of it, or it was no crime at all.  Surely you do not mean to “defend” or “justify” a private person’s creation and commission of an actual crime just to catch a confederate--or do you?  Do I have the right to organize the robbery of a convenience store just so I can get you involved and prove that you have the predisposition even if you’ve never done it before?  This is weird.  I know of no legal doctrine that would give me a defense in that case.

In any event, I wasn’t writing about the RNC, which obviously did the right thing politically and morally too, in dumping Mr. Sproul; I was curious about why we experienced the radio silence about Sproul on this list over the last week of all those, like you, who are jumping on this transparently concocted case of two valley girls talking about how “hilarious” they are going to be.  There are real, actual cases of voter registration fraud taking place in this campaign, but evidently you prefer not to talk about it.  This distorted attitude only increases people’s sense that the concern about voter fraud by leading figures like you is totally partisan and selective in nature.

                                                                                Yours, jbr        

From: JBoppjr at aol.com [mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [EL] Check out New O'Keefe video: Obama campaign staffer caught helping a...

Please observe that in Sproul's case, he got fired by the RNC and is being pursued by the cops.  That is as it should be.

Contrast that with instances of Democrat voter fraud -- it is "silly"  "concocted" didn't happen, etc.  No one defended or sought to justify Sproul.  Jim Bopp

In a message dated 10/12/2012 10:29:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raskin at wcl.american.edu writes:

	Actually, you didn’t have to wait for this one silly and transparently concocted case of two giggling nincompoops talking about a phony plan to engage in voter-fraud-by-mail to vindicate your belief in voter fraud.  You just had to have read the New York Times a week ago about the widespread and serious allegations of real and massive voter fraud being executed by Republican operative Nathan Sproul, whose company has received millions of dollars from Republican entities across the country and faces complaints from at least ten Florida counties of registrations involving “similar signatures,” “false addresses,” and registration of the dead.  See  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/nathan-sproul-a-republican-operative-long-trailed-by-voter-fraud-claims.html?pagewanted=all&_

	                I wonder why none of those List members indulging in all of the sarcastic outrage this morning didn’t use the occasion of the Nathan Sproul revelations to prove their point.  Hmm.

	From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Joe La Rue
	Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:13 AM
	To: Steve Hoersting
	Cc: JBoppjr at aol.com; law-election at uci.edu
	Subject: Re: [EL] Check out New O'Keefe video: Obama campaign staffer caught helping activist v

	You beat me to it, Steve. I was going to say that. Frankly, I'm disappointed in Jim and Ben. They've obviously not been paying attention to the List Serve. After all, if you say it enough ("There is no such thing as voter fraud") it MUST be true. 

	Joe
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	On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Steve Hoersting <hoersting at gmail.com> wrote:

	There is no such thing as voter fraud.

	On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com> wrote:

	Thanks, Jim.  I recently signed James O'Keefe and Project Veritas as clients.  Expect more great work on exposing voter fraud and problems with voting integrity as we push ahead to November and beyond!  While so many allege this fraud never happen or is unlikely to, James' work offers a great insight to reality on the ground.  Stay tuned!

	Forward,

	First Amendment Ben

	On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:44 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com> wrote:

		Click here: New O'Keefe video: Obama campaign staffer caught helping activist vote twice | The Daily Caller <http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/new-okeefe-video-obama-campaign-staffer-caught-helping-activist-vote-twice/#ixzz293I3dEts>  

		Obama campaign caught red handed participating in voter fraud by helping voters vote in two different states in this election.  And some say there is no voter fraud!  Jim Bopp

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