[EL] Lerner in her own words - "everyone" "screaming"

[Joe La Rue]

This whole argument that conservative groups were not
really "targeted" risks obscuring the fact that what happened was wrong.
Frankly, I wouldn't have a different opinion if it were only liberal groups
that were subjected to additional, and frequently unwarranted, scrutiny. It
appears that the scrutiny and delays these groups, whether liberal or
conservative, were subjected to cannot, in most instances, be justified.
 And in my book that means the IRS was wrong, no matter who it was who
suffered.


Joe
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Smith, Brad <BSmith at law.capital.edu> wrote:

> I'm surprised that Michael keeps thumping this drum since the Inspector
> General, and the IRS itself, have said quite clearly that conservative
> groups were targeted. The fact that some liberal groups were also snared,
> either in the criteria used to scrutinize conservative groups, or in the
> general course of business, really doesn't change that, and numerous
> analyses the numbers have verified the impact.
>
> But having said that, it doesn't matter. Even if Michael were correct,
> that would change only the nature, and not the fact, of the scandal. And
> that, again, represents the problem.
>
> Bradley A. Smith
> Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault
>    Professor of Law
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> ________________________________________
> From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [
> law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] on behalf of Michael P
> McDonald [mmcdon at gmu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:43 AM
> To: law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
> Subject: Re: [EL] Lerner in her own words - "everyone" "screaming"
>
> I remained silent with the "I told you so" when a litany of media reports
> finally came out showing how liberal organizations were flagged and treated
> the same as conservative organizations. But this is the story that will not
> die so here we go...
>
> Where this logic fails is that the IRS included liberal groups in their
> treatment such as those advocating for the Affordable Care Act. When did
> the president or Democratic members of congress ever indicate that they
> wanted the IRS to go after groups advocating for Obama's signature
> legislative accomplishment? Or was that Republican members of Congress
> sounding those alarms? Perhaps when Lerner says "everyone" she means
> *everyone* and not just the president and his congressional allies. And if
> everyone was clamoring for action against their political opponents, how
> could any action taken by the IRS not be alleged as singling out a
> political opponent of someone?
>
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> From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:
> law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Brad
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:17 AM
> To: Trevor Potter; Jason Torchinsky; law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
> Subject: Re: [EL] Lerner in her own words - "everyone" "screaming"
>
> And that is, to me, what the scandal has always been about. It's not that
> there was some White House order (although that wouldn't overly shock me).
> It's that the White House and the President publicly and repeatedly sounded
> the "alarm," and the need to get after these groups. It's that members of
> Congress repeatedly wrote to the IRS to demand that it take action or
> inquire  why it hadn't (and we know what such an inquiry means). It is that
> Democrats held show hearings all over Capitol Hill, wherever any committee
> could with any remote legitimacy claim some jurisdiction, to excoriate
> these groups. It is that Democrats publicly and private pressured the SEC
> and the FCC, as well as the IRS, to take action because the FEC would not
> and Congress was unable to pass DISCLOSE.
>
> Of course the IRS responds to such posturing, inquiries, and vilification.
> That is the problem. And it continues, as Sen. Whitehouse held a hearing
> this spring openly accusing groups of violating the law, with no evidence;
> as Senator Levin promised to "investigate" these conservative
> organizations; as Senator Durbin sent out mass letters yesterday demanding
> to know if various persons and groups had in any way funded ALEC.
>
> There was what reformers would call "an astroturf" campaign, headed up by
> prominent Democratic officeholders and aides, to drum an aura of crisis
> about the political participation of their political opponents, and then to
> demand that the huge federal bureaucracy step in to "do something" about
> it, in light of the fact that Congress could not muster the votes.
>
> That is the problem, and it is exactly what we've been warning about for
> years would be one of the many problems with campaign finance regulation.
>
> Bradley A. Smith
> Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault
>    Professor of Law
> Capital University Law School
> 303 E. Broad St.
> Columbus, OH 43215
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> http://law.capital.edu/faculty/bios/bsmith.aspx
> ________________________________________
> From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [
> law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] on behalf of Trevor Potter
> [tpotter at capdale.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:04 AM
> To: Jason Torchinsky; law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
> Subject: Re: [EL] Lerner in her own words - "everyone" "screaming"
> Jason
>
> I know you are relying on a Breitbart piece, and it has an obvious point
> of view. However, even that piece does not say that there was any pressure
> from the "White House" on the IRS, and Breitbart is fair enough to note
> that there was a great deal of press coverage and editorials in 2010 about
> new 501 c4s which appeared to be doing  nothing but huge amounts election
> activity in 2010. As the article states:
>
> "TIGTA's report contains a few key redactions which conceal precisely how
> the scrutiny of Tea Party groups began. Reading between the lines it seems
> media attention played a role. Plans by a Tea Party group to create a new
> 501(c)(4) were featured in stories at the NY Times and NPR just a couple
> weeks after Obama's statements about Citizens United. These stories
> apparently caught the attention of the IRS which regularly monitors news
> stories to be aware of developing issues."
>
> Thus, the "everyone" wanting the IRS to "do something" in context appears
> to refer to the quite public and common outrage reported on in the press
> that essentially political entities were using 501 c 4 status to avoid
> disclosure of their donors which would be required under election law.
>
> Trevor Potter
>
> From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:
> law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Jason
> Torchinsky
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:47 AM
> To: law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
> Subject: [EL] Lerner in her own words - "everyone" "screaming"
>
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/08/06/Lois-Lerner-Discusses-Political-Pressure-on-the-IRS-in-2010
>
> In case anyone missed this, here's Lois Lerner in her own words from 2010
> explaining that "everyone" wanted the IRS to "do something."
>
> This video according to the report was taken in the fall of 2010.
>
> Implications of this?  I thought the IRS and the White House have
> maintained there was no pressure on the IRS.
>
> -          Jason Torchinsky
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