[EL] Interstate Voter Fraud

[Michael P McDonald]

It’s interesting to note that in the early years of the country when property ownership was a voting qualification, some colonies/states explicitly allowed people to vote more than once if they owned property in more than one locality.

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From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Winger
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 2:57 PM
To: Lorraine Minnite; Rick Hasen
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Subject: Re: [EL] Interstate Voter Fraud

It's not completely clear to me why voting in two states is fraud, if the voter has residences in both states.  When one votes in two different states in the same calendar year, one is not voting for the same office twice.  Even the presidential election is not an instance of a voter "voting twice", because, technically, each state has its own separate election to choose presidential electors.

With the growing use of "early voting", it is plausible that someone who is domiciled in one state on October 1 of an election year, and who votes using early voting on that date, and then moves his or her domicile to a different state and votes in that state on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, will have voted legally in both states.

 
Richard Winger
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From: Lorraine Minnite <lminnite at gmail.com>
To: Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> 
Cc: "law-election at UCI.edu" <law-election at uci.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:08 AM
Subject: [EL] Interstate Voter Fraud


Does anyone know the numbers of cases of actual interstate voter fraud being committed by people who know what they are doing and intend to illegally vote twice?    

Lori Minnite

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On Aug 18, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
“New NC law cancels ballots cast in wrong precinct” 
Posted on August 18, 2013 10:02 am by Rick Hasen 
AP reports.
I’ll have more to say on North Carolina soon.
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“NC lawmakers may defend laws in court if AG won’t” 
Posted on August 17, 2013 10:07 am by Rick Hasen 
The latest on the voting law.
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California and San Diego Officials Will Not Enforce Law Requiring Recall Petition Circulators to Be Residents or Registered Voters 
Posted on August 17, 2013 10:03 am by Rick Hasen 
See this Memorandum of Law from the San Diego City Attorney’s office.
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I Get Praised by True the Vote 
Posted on August 16, 2013 8:40 pm by Rick Hasen 
Really…
Given what I’ve said about them in The Voting Wars and elsewhere, somewhat of a surprise, but from their latest e-blast (which gets my affiliation wrong, but no matter):










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The Needle is Moving Toward Election IntegrityA number of events this week serve as a testament to the accomplishments earned toward election integrity. North Carolina’s signing of a strong voter ID law was just one success we witnessed. This week we’ll review a number of areas where voters’ rights won the legal, legislative and messaging battle. 
<ACCOUNT.IMAGE.262> Speaking Truth to Power in Maryland Last week True the Vote updated you on Election Integrity Maryland’s ongoing struggle to even ASK the State Board of Elections questions about voter roll maintenance. The Board’s refusal to answer questions already runs afoul of federal court precedent, according to TTV attorney J. Christian Adams. This week the story got even more interesting.
On Monday, True the Vote announced 173 cases of interstate voter fraud between Maryland and Florida. The finding raised enough eyebrows for a state assemblywoman to call for an investigation into the matter.
 
This case serves as a perfect example of how True the Vote and local election integrity advocates can work together and affect change.
 
<ACCOUNT.IMAGE.263> Voter ID, Fraud and Suppression Be it in North Carolina or the nation at large, photo voter identification laws are practically bulldozing any naysayers in their path on popularity alone. Two recent polls show frightening results for anyone who tries to organize against the election integrity measure. On July 25th, a McClatchy-Marist poll showed that 83% of Americans support the enactment of voter ID laws. But look deeper in the poll. Supporters are more likely to be a minority, not college educated, female and make less than $50,000/year.
The Washington Post followed up this week with a new poll that takes a different look at the popular policy. Unsurprisingly, voter ID in general is supported nationally by 74%. But more important, the poll drives a border between identification laws and “voter suppression.” How can 74% of Americans support the policy and yet be concerned about voter suppression at a rate of 73%? Because Americans see them as separate issues. The Post asked, “Do you think voter suppression that is, eligible voters taken off registration lists or denied the right to vote — is a major problem, a minor problem or not a problem in presidential elections?” That number should be higher – because such action is an affront to voters’ rights.
The same poll found that 81% of Americans believe that voter fraud is a problem in presidential elections.
The Times They Are A-Changin’ UC Davis Professor Rick Hasen publishes an election law blog that has, at times, been critical of True the Vote. But this week there was a BREAKTHROUGH that we want to recognize. Rather than fomenting more racialist anger like many of his colleagues, he’s now promoting a measure to comply with voter ID requirements. Basing his change of heart on the fact that litigation will not ultimately prove successful, he’s directing readers to so-called ‘voter ID clinics.’ Our hat is off to you, Professor. You’re working with the good guys now.
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On the Horizon: Texas, North Carolina, Colorado & California Despite our recent legal and message victories, we cannot dare rest on our laurels. Texas is gearing up to fight the Holder DOJ to prevent the state from being placed under federal control. TTV will be announcing its legal intervention in the weeks ahead. Meanwhile, North Carolina faces the same threat – but they won’t face it alone. In Colorado and California, we’ve seen radical new laws and election overhauls that are a criminally-minded, political operative’s dream. The only chance to stop them is in the courts. We have our work cut out for us. We need your help.
















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“In Rural N.C., New Voter ID Law Awakens Some Old Fears “ 
Posted on August 16, 2013 3:14 pm by Rick Hasen 
NPR’s All Things Considered reports.
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“True the Vote Release 173 Cases of Alleged Interstate Voter Fraud in Florida, Maryland” 
Posted on August 16, 2013 2:00 pm by Rick Hasen 
See this press release.
I don’t know anything about the accuracy of True the Vote’s charges here. But I do know that double voting across states is a real, though relatively small, problem.
Efforts to get states to cross check registrations is one way to solve the problem, but administrative errors and similar/same names and birthdays makes this not the ideal way to deal with the problem.
It’s why I’ve supported universal federal voter registration with a national voter identity card with each voter keeping a voter identification number for life.
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“Voter Fraud! Wait, No.” 
Posted on August 16, 2013 1:50 pm by Rick Hasen 
Juliet Lapidos at NYT’s “Taking Note” ed board blog:
The latest false alarm comes to us from Colorado. Boulder’s Daily Camera reported earlier this week that “Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler gave Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett a list of 17 names, all suspected of voting in the November election despite being non-citizens.” Well, guess what, “an investigation by Garnett’s office found that all 17 people were citizens and were able to easily verify their status.”
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Fewer Students Getting Driver’s Licenses, Complicating Voter ID for New Voters 
Posted on August 16, 2013 1:47 pm by Rick Hasen 
AAA Foundation: “The majority of American teens today delay getting a driver’s license, according to new study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. Less than half (44 percent) of teens obtain a driver’s license within 12 months of the minimum age for licensing in their state and just over half (54 percent) are licensed before their 18th birthday…”
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