[EL] Voter turnout
Ilya Shapiro
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Thu Apr 10 08:47:06 PDT 2014
Absolutely. I'm just saying that turnout rates are a data point and might show underlying good/bad things, but aren't a goal in and of themselves.
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On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:44 AM, "Estelle Rogers" <erogers at projectvote.org<mailto:erogers at projectvote.org>> wrote:
To use Rick's phrase, we obviously have very different world views. Besides, can't we promote more voting and "higher information" voting at the same time?
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On Apr 10, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Ilya Shapiro wrote:
If a country is in crisis and politics are foremost on every citizen's mind -- Argentina, Venezuela -- that's probably a bad thing, but voter turnout is astronomical. Conversely, if things are going great and/or govt is in it's proper role, less reason to turn out and that's a good thing. Those are just two examples, but there are plenty of other reasons. Voter turnout rates, ceteris paribus (and unless you're talking about racial or other salient disparities in turnout rates), are pretty irrelevant in and of themselves.
In short, the equation higher turnout = better government/healthier polity is demonstrably false.
There are also deeper issues, like do we want to promote voting by more or "better" (higher-information) voters? Do we want that as a normative good even if it empirically leads to worse govt?
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On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:32 AM, "Estelle Rogers" <erogers at projectvote.org<mailto:erogers at projectvote.org>> wrote:
Those of us who want the electorate, particularly the portion of the electorate that is voting, to reflect the citizenry as a whole care very much. I can't imagine a scenario where low turnout would be good for society, though it might be good for a particular candidate or issue under particular circumstances.
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On Apr 10, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Ilya Shapiro wrote:
Why would we necessarily care what the turnout rate is. Both high and low turnout could be good or bad, depending on circumstance. It's like economic inequality. Doesn't seem to me to be the right question to ask or policy concern to address.
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On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:15 AM, "Gregory Huber" <gregory.huber at yale.edu<mailto:gregory.huber at yale.edu>> wrote:
We (me, Alan Gerber, and Seth Hill) have a recent paper out that exploits the roll out of all mail elections in Washington counties. We estimate effects of about 2 to 4 points, with some evidence that it attracts less regular voters.
Abstract:
What effect does moving to all-mail elections have on participation? On one hand, all registered voters automatically receive a ballot to return by mail at their convenience. On the other hand, the social aspect of the polling place, and the focal point of election day, is lost. Current estimates of the effect of all-mail elections on turnout are ambiguous. This article offers an improved design and new estimates of the effect of moving to all-mail elections. Exploiting cross-sectional and temporal variation in county-level implementation of all-mail elections in Washington State, we find that the reform increased aggregate participation by two to four percentage points. Using individual observations from the state voter file, we also find that the reform increased turnout more for lower-participating registrants than for frequent voters, suggesting that all-mail voting reduces turnout disparities between these groups.
Political Science Research and Methods / Volume 1 / Issue 01 / June 2013, pp 91 - 116
Link (gated): http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/psrm.2013.5
Link (ungated): http://huber.research.yale.edu/materials/28_paper.pdf
On 4/10/2014 10:41 AM, Charles Stewart III wrote:
Paul, as always, has provided an exemplary intervention on behalf of what the literature of political science tells us about administrative changes and turnout.
I would make one correction (that will REALLY surprise Paul): I am aware of research done in Florida around 2000 that examined the effects of Florida’s election law changes that allowed certain local elections to be conducted by mail. These were, for sure, annexation and millage rate elections, and they may have been (I forget the details) regular municipal elections, too.
Huge turnout increases.
I would also add the research of Sarah Sled, whose PhD dissertation at MIT in 2008 was about all-mail elections and turnout. Here is the link: http://18.7.29.232/handle/1721.1/46634. Here is an excerpt from the abstract:
The implementation of Vote By Mail produces turnout effects that increase in magnitude as the salience of the election decreases, with a range from 3.4 percentage points increase in the high salience category of presidential general elections to an increase in turnout of 15 percentage points in the low salience category of local special elections.
By the way, Sarah also finds the typical political science result, in so far as her investigation of whether VBM changes _outcomes_ turns up a big goose egg.
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I assume you're asking mainly about administrative changes, right, because the political scientists will (predictably) chime in: make elections more relevant to citizens' everyday lives, make elections more competitive, increase media coverage of elections, improve the educational system. And age the population so that everyone's over 60. ;-)
I think it would be fair to say that the easiest reform that has predictably resulted in significant increases in turnout is same-day / election-day registration. It requires technological improvements to the registration system, and I know our friend Dean Logan is ready for the budgetary infusion that may be needed! (LA may be already moving in this direction.)
Coordinating municipal elections with presidential elections should result in substantial increases in turnout, but the tradeoff is topic that has been part of the political science literature for 50 years or longer (going back to Wilson's Amateur Democrats at least): the electorate includes a large number of irregular voters who are drawn in by the excitement and interest of the presidential contest. The reason some states and localities moved their elections off cycle is precisely to *avoid* this. Turnout is lower, but you get an electorate more predictably knowledgable about local issues.
My comments about the last reform may surprise you, given my affiliation and reputation, but the reform that I think could result in a substantial increase in turnout but for which we do not have systematic research is a fully vote by mail system. I say this primarily because I have long suspected, and have lots of anecdotes indicating, that full vote by mail has it's largest turnout impact in low profile state and local contests. But no one has looked at this in a systematic fashion to date.
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On Apr 9, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Larry Levine <larrylevine at earthlink.net<mailto:larrylevine at earthlink.net>> wrote:
I have been appointed as a member of the Los Angeles City Advisory Commission on Political Reform. I am a member of the sub-committee on research. The main charge of the commission is to look into actions that might increase turnout in municipal elections. Can anyone on the list provide some recent research on this subject? Nothing is off limits ? change of election dates, consolidation with other elections, early voting, expanded number of voting dates, etc.
Thanks,
Larry
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