[EL] Attention fellow totalitarians...

[Samuel Bagenstos]

Christian Adams certainly won't be impressed by my seal of approval.  But I
will say that one of the things I have always valued about this list is the
way that it has proven a location for respectful discussion and debate
across ideological, disciplinary, and even partisan boundaries.  Sometimes
disagreements are sharp -- but that's life, needn't imply a lack of
respect, and I don't think it does here.  (You all should have been at any
Passover seder in my family during the past 40+ years, up to and including
this week's, if you want to see sharp disagreements!  This list has nothing
on us!)  And I've been struck by the various occasions through the years
when usual opponents find themselves agreeing about a particular issue.
 Rick does a great service in maintaining the list and our norms.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Scarberry, Mark <
Mark.Scarberry at pepperdine.edu> wrote:

>  I couldn't disagree more with Adams. I consider myself to be mostly
> conservative on election law issues, if that's a meaningful category, and
> to be on the "less regulation more 1st Amendment-protective" side; and I
> think the list is a great "place" for discussion. Sometimes my posts get
> substantial responses; sometimes not. But Rick and UCI do a real service in
> providing this viewpoint-neutral limited forum (if that's the right
> description).
>
>  Mark
>
>  Mark S. Scarberry
> Pepperdine University School of Law
>
>
>  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rick Hasen
> Date:04/17/2014 10:04 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: "law >> law-election at uci.edu"
> Subject: [EL] Attention fellow totalitarians...
>
>  Interesting Perspective on Election Law Listserv from Non-Participant<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=60581>
> Posted on April 17, 2014 10:03 am <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=60581> by
> Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> I wonder if the many conservatives on the election law listserv would
> agree with these points made by J. Christian Adams<http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2014/04/17/a-new-more-sinister-irs-scandal/?singlepage=true>
> :
>
> *S*o who are the speech regulators seeking to impose government limits on
> the exercise of the First Amendment?
>
> Like bats in the belfry, they tend to congregate online at University of
> California at Irvine Law Professor Rick Hasen's election blog<http://electionlawblog.org/>
> .
>
> Hasen runs an online meeting hall<http://department-lists.uci.edu/pipermail/law-election/>for all the would-be speech totalitarians. They post, bluster, and kibitz
> about the latest news on their effort to erode the First Amendment and
> increase federal power. Whenever a free speech advocate seeks to contribute
> to the conversation at the blog, they are often deliberately given a cold
> shoulder and ignored, per plan. The ignored don't understand that leftists
> aren't interested in debate. Their pedigree requires the eradication of
> opposing ideas, not their incubation.
>
> But perhaps the ignored should be thankful. Being ignored is better than
> what the speech regulators have done in other places throughout history.
> Jail and truncheons are the usual tools of those who want to stamp out free
> speech. In America, the speech regulators have just begun to warm up to
> jail as a tool.
>
> That Hasen's online hangout is hosted on *government servers* provides an
> interesting twist.
>
> Judicial Watch sent the University of California at Irvine a freedom of
> information request demanding Hasen's emails to the White House and other
> government officials including any on the topic of speech regulations. The
> University told Judicial Watch to pound sand, and still hasn't provided
> anything.
>
> [image: a] <http://cdn.pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/files/2014/04/a1.jpg>
>
> Yesterday's IRS email revelation makes you wonder what Cal-Irvine is
> hiding.
>
> So who are some of the other speech regulators who haven't shown up on IRS
> scandal documents yet?
>
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>  Posted in Uncategorized <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=1>
>
> --
> Rick Hasen
> Chancellor's Professor of Law and Political Science
> UC Irvine School of Law
> 401 E. Peltason Dr., Suite 1000
> Irvine, CA 92697-8000949.824.3072 - office949.824.0495 - faxrhasen at law.uci.edu
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Samuel Bagenstos
Professor of Law
University of Michigan Law School
https://www.law.umich.edu/FacultyBio/Pages/FacultyBio.aspx?FacID=sambagen
Twitter: @sbagen
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