[EL] Uh oh, Rick...
Rick Hasen
rhasen at law.uci.edu
Fri Oct 24 14:20:58 PDT 2014
Not sure I understand your snark. When I looked into the question of
non-citizen voting for my book, the rates of proven non-citizen voting
appeared very low. Now along comes a study which has a higher number. I
don't have an opinion yet on how strong the study is because (1) I
haven't yet read it and (2) those who have much greater methodological
sophistication about these things than I do will surely weigh in on the
question. I think that is a prudent response to this study.
In terms of outright dissembling, you can read chapter 2 of my book,
which gives some examples.
I do not understand your final sentence.
Rick
On 10/24/14, 2:15 PM, Steve Hoersting wrote:
> So "new stud[ies] appear[] to find a much higher incidence of
> non-citizen voting than you've previously seen" and you "look forward"
> to hearing what others think of the methodology, and still you allege
> "outright dissembling"?
>
> Okay. I see. Just trying to keep up.
>
> But if members of the Anti-Fraud Squad have dared dissemble, they had
> better discover they are rapidly losing control of conventional wisdom
> and the public debate.
>
> Good weekend. Best,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu
> <mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu>> wrote:
>
> I linked to the the story Drudge links to earlier today on my
> blog. (See the end of this message). I have always said (and say
> in my book) that non-citizen voting is a real, though relatively
> small, problem (unlike impersonation fraud, which is essentially a
> blip). For this reason I have supported efforts to remove
> non-citizens from voting rolls, though not in the period right
> before an election when errors are more likely to disenfranchise
> voters.
>
> The new study appears to find a much higher incidence of
> non-citizen voting than I've previously seen, and I look forward
> to hearing whether people think the methodology in this paper is
> sound. But even if it is sound, this would not justify the
> hysteria and nonsense (and in some cases outright dissembling)
> coming from some of the people you have listed below.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> “Could non-citizens decide the November election?”
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=67408>
>
> Posted onOctober 24, 2014 12:27 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=67408>byRick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Jesse Richman and David Earnes
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/>t
> at the Monkey Cage with some provocative findings on the
> extent of non-citizen voting. I will be very interested to
> hear what others think of the methodology in thisforthcoming
> article
> <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973>in
> Electoral Studies.
>
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> On 10/24/14, 1:51 PM, Steve Hoersting wrote:
>> It's getting tougher and tougher to dismiss and discredit John
>> Fund, Hans van Spakovsky, James O'Keefe, J. Christian Adams,
>> Catherine Engelbrecht and Rush Limbaugh:
>>
>> http://drudgereport.com/
>>
>> --
>> Stephen M. Hoersting
>>
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> Stephen M. Hoersting
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