[EL] Money as speech

JBoppjr at aol.com JBoppjr at aol.com
Tue Sep 23 15:13:12 PDT 2014


Regarding:
 
I only wish the world were so simply that saying money is speech,  
democracy is a marketplace of ideas, or corporations are persons entitled to  free 
speech wold resolve things.
 
I think the problem here is "reformers" creating straw men, pretending that 
 this is the position of First Amendment advocates, and then having fun 
attacking  them. If "reformers" cannot be honest about what their opposition is 
 really saying, then it is not our problem, but yours.  Jim Bopp
 
 
In a message dated 9/23/2014 5:09:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dschultz at hamline.edu writes:

Howard's query and the responses to it speak to an even more  interesting 
issue--how so much of the election law or campaign finance debate  rests upon 
simplistic and inapt analogies and metaphors.   Money as  speech, analogies 
in BUCKLEY to gas tanks and cars or megaphones or  soundtrucks, parties as 
filters for special interests.   I would even  argue that economic market 
metaphors for how we describe democracy are often  counterproductive.  I could 
go on.  Lawyering in part is about  drawing analogies but when we become 
trapped by them we make bad law and reach  foolish conclusions.  Perhaps we 
need to start by recognizing that money  is money and constitutionally 
protected speech is constitutionally protected  speech and then ask whether the 
former should be recognized as the  latter.  Remember in Buckley the Court 
never ruled that money is speech  only that it bore some speech-like properties 
that implicated First Amendment  concerns. I now see too many advocates 
trapped by their analogy that money is  speech and fail to ask if there are 
fundamental differences between how money  operates in a economic market versus 
what should be the allocative criteria  for power in a democracy.  Money may 
or may not have a place in democracy  or it may have a different role in 
politics than it does in buying coffee at  Starbucks.  


I am now afraid that the new debate--corporations as persons  or not--is 
about to become a new analogy that will become simplified and  obscure debate. 
Roland's recent post on CU, persons, and speech is an example  of that.  My 
point of posting my Constitution Day lecture lecture last  night was for 
people to  understand two things.  First, debates over  who or what is a 
person or property go back to the the 1787 constitutional  debates.  Second, 
simply saying something is a person does not resolve  the debate over what 
rights are afforded.  Children are persons but do  not share the same rights as 
adults, for example.  If one were to line  all all the possible entities or 
beings that could be deemed persons and then  think about all the possible 
forms of civic activities or forms of civil  engagement that are possible, we 
would find that some persons can do some  activities but not others.  By 
that, even if corporations are people  should they be allowed to vote?  
Conversely, even if a political party  cannot vote does that mean it should not be 
able to speak?  Simplistic  metaphors or analogies that take on an 
all-or-nothing aspect blur these  issues.


I only wish the world were so simply that saying money is speech,  
democracy is a marketplace of ideas, or corporations are persons entitled to  free 
speech wold resolve things.  Such statements as Dan Lowenstein  suggest, only 
make things more obscure.  I sound like a broken record by  now but I try 
to talk about these issues in my book ELECTION LAW AND  DEMOCRATIC THEORY.  
We really need to approach questions about money in  politics from a more 
holistic, theoretical, thoughtful, and even empirical  point of view.  I hope 
this listserv is more than a simply place of  advocacy that rises about the 
banal world of pop culture which demonstrates  what is wrong when we get 
trapped by our analogies and metaphors.


On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Paul Sherman <_psherman at ij.org_ 
(mailto:psherman at ij.org) > wrote:


 
Howard, 
These  aren’t simple-minded questions; you’ve pointed out widely used 
analogies in  campaign-finance debates, and they merit a serious response.  So 
here  goes: 
There  are two questions here:  Why is money speech?  And why isn’t money  
merely volume?   
As  to the first question, the argument for why the First Amendment is  
implicated when government restricts spending on political speech has been  
covered in lots of places, so for more on that, I’ll just direct you to this  
blog post by Eugene Volokh, which I would have just ended up paraphrasing  
anyways: http://www.volokh.com/2010/01/24/money-and-speech-2/. 
As  to the second question, the analogy of money to a sound system fails 
because  it conflates two different meanings of the word “volume.”  Volume 
can  mean the quantity or power of sound, or it can mean a quantity or amount 
of  something else.  These different meanings matter.  If you’re on a  
public street and someone is using a bull horn at high volume, it may make  it 
physically impossible to hear other messages.  But if you’re on a  public 
street and someone is engaged in a “high volume” of handbilling,  there’s no 
problem, because handbilling—even a lot of it—doesn’t prevent you  from 
discerning other messages.  Similarly, a high volume of television  ads doesn’t 
actually prevent you from hearing other television ads, because  television 
ads run sequentially, not simultaneously.  (There are lots  of other relevant 
distinctions between publicly owned physical spaces and  privately owned 
communications media that make the broader “drowning out”  analogy either 
unpersuasive or constitutionally problematic, but these few  are sufficient to 
convey my point.)  
To  be sure, volume in the sense of amount makes a big difference in 
political  debates.  A message heard or read multiple times is likely to be more  
persuasive than a message heard or read only once.  But as a general  matter 
we don’t allow (or trust) the government to regulate speech for the  
purpose of ensuring that speakers are not unduly persuasive.  Instead,  we let 
speakers decide for themselves how much of their own money they want  to spend 
on peaceful political expression, and we trust the public to decide  for 
itself whether that expression is persuasive.    
Best, 
Paul 
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Subject:  [EL] Money as speech 
I  have what is probably a simple and simple minded question for the 
assembled  delegation: Why is money speech?  It seems to me money is not speech,  
it is volume.  We would not allow the person with the largest sound  system 
to drown out all others, we would regulate the volume at which they  
communicate.    
 

 
Why  is money different.  It does not convey any message in and of itself,  
it simply amplifies the speech you choose to make.  It is not only  
acceptable, but expected, that we will not allow unlimited noise, on our  streets 
or in our debates, why is money more sacrosanct than the maximum  ability of 
my vocal cords and  diaphragm? 
 

 
Howard  Leib
 
  
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