[EL] What were Stanford and Dartmouth supposed to do?

Wed May 13 11:00:06 PDT 2015

I've also been wondering if this could be a cynical attempt by some
officials to role back disclosure requirements. For example, they punish
the universities, which might then bring a strong challenge on first
amendment grounds, which could theoretically lead to a broader decision
curtailing disclosure in general. ("If Stanford doesn't have to report
this, why does Chevron have to report spending. Government doesn't get to
pick winners and losers like that" I could imagine one (and many on this
list) arguing - it's like CU; who really had a big problem with that
on-demand video, except maybe the FEC and Hillary, but look what that led to
).

Though Montana seemed to put up the most resistance against CU's liberation
of corporate IEs, so maybe not.

-Tom

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, David Keating <dkeating at campaignfreedom.org>
wrote:

> If anyone looks at the mailing, which we did when this first blew up,
> there is no doubt that it is not even a close call to a technical campaign
> finance violation.  It is an abuse of power by Montana officials, pure and
> simple.
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> David
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> *On Behalf Of *Bill Maurer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:40 PM
> *To:* Thomas J. Cares; Election Law
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] What were Stanford and Dartmouth supposed to do?
>
>
>
> I’m glad we have governmental agencies (or at least complaint procedures)
> that make sure that the threat to the Republic posed by Stanford and
> Dartmouth researchers and similar things like Mike Huckabee making a dumb
> joke in a speech don’t go unpursued.
>
>
>
> Good Lord, if this is the type of petty, technical, rules-for-rules-sake
> “violations” these agencies were designed to enforce, we should all be
> pushing to make the FEC even less active than it is. Acting in these cases
> without exercising discretion, care for taxpayer resources, or just common
> sense demonstrates just how invasive these laws are and the tunnel vision
> possessed by many agencies charged with enforcing them.
>
>
>
> We should also ask whether we are really a free people when a someone
> conducting a survey or a person making a joke in a speech risk calling the
> wrath of the government down on their heads. For all the talk of the
> dysfunction at the FEC, it is instead dysfunctional to have agencies apply
> rules that would have embarrassed the prefects of Byzantium at its most
> decrepit.
>
>
>
> Bill
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> *On Behalf Of *Thomas J. Cares
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:57 AM
> *To:* Election Law
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] What were Stanford and Dartmouth supposed to do?
>
>
>
> It's funny you mention that, because I found that quote (inserted
> below) pretty deranged and it made me contemplate submitting a piece to the
> Onion "Montana fines clouds for affecting election turnouts with
> inconsiderate rain"
>
>
>
> "The most appalling aspect for many voters, the intent to manipulate vote
> totals that could potentially change the outcome of an election, was absent
> as a consideration in the process"
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>
>
> In all seriousness, the effects of voters having more information, are
> legitimate effects.
>
>
>
> -Tom
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>
> On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, David Holtzman, Esq. <david at holtzmanlaw.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david at holtzmanlaw.com');>> wrote:
>
> Not treat Montanans like lab rats?
>
> The prosecution may be based on the assumption that changing overall
> turnout percentage changes results.   I think data suggest otherwise.  But
> a targeted mailing to a subset of voters raises questions about to whom and
> why.
>
> I can't believe there was no human subjects review by an institutional
> review board!
>
>   - dah
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> Sent from a mobile device.   Forgive me.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Thomas J. Cares" <Tom at TomCares.com
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> To: Election Law <law-election at uci.edu>
> Sent: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:47 AM
> Subject: [EL] What were Stanford and Dartmouth supposed to do?
>
> What could they have done, or how could they have reported the
> expenditure? It doesn't sound like they aid any candidate was "*too*
> conservative" or "*too* moderate" (sic) or "*too* liberal"
>
>
>
> If there's no advocacy for or against a candidate, how can you report
> it/what would you report?
>
>
>
> The only thing perhaps to apologize for was using the State seal,
> depending how it was done. It does seem very strange that, between both of
> them, ~$100k must have been spent on the apology letters, when it seems
> dubious they have anything to apologize for. It sounds like meritorious
> social science research. They should be proud, not sorry.
>
>
>
> (Come to think of it, perhaps there is a mandatory option to report
> neutral spending as neutral. I think I recall this in California
> disclosures. Still there seem to be issues here with the line between media
> and campaign advocacy. If a newspaper delivered a paper to 100k voters with
> a piece measuring how conservative, or liberal, judicial candidates are,
> they wouldn't have to report it or apologize, but if universities do it...?)
>
>
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> Thomas Cares
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>
> “Montana: Stanford, Dartmouth mailers broke campaign laws”
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=72395>
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> Posted on May 12, 2015 11:21 am <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=72395> by *Rick
> Hasen* <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
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