[EL] Postage Question

Tue Nov 1 13:25:25 PDT 2016

The post office will deliver ballots without postage. They charge the local
election office.

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Dr. Michael P. McDonald
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On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Paul Gronke <paul.gronke at gmail.com> wrote:

> John
> Yep, the only minor thing I describe differently is that I use the word
> “scan” or “image” rather than “counting.”
>
> “Counting” means you are actually pressing a “tally” or “total” button
> that takes the ballot images stored in the machine (even if op-scanned) and
> then and only then produces a “report” that includes a sum of the votes
> cast.
>
> It’s an important distinction to make with reporters, who once you use the
> word “count” assume there is a total sitting there, like it’s on a computer
> screen or something, that someone can just read off of a piece of paper.
> You have to generate the report, and a record of that task is stored in the
> machine's memory.
>
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:43 PM, John Farrell <jfarrell at mccandlishlawyers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Seriously, this has been figured out in most states.
>
> The ballots are returned to the general registrar or the clerk of the
> local government at the town/city hall or county courthouse (not the
> polling place since most of those locations are temporary, i.e., a public
> school, church, social hall, YMCA etc.).
>
> The returned ballots are maintained in a locked room until processed.
> Some states allow the mailed-in ballots to be reviewed for completeness
> when received.  Some states even allow the local election administrator to
> enter them into the counting device immediately after they are received and
> check for completeness. In those cases, the counting machine and the
> counted ballots are kept in a secure room before election day.
>
> In some states, the return envelope with the mailed-in ballots are sent to
> the precinct of origin, checked in by the election officials in that
> precinct and put through the counting machine on election day and reported
> as part of the precinct return.
>
> In others, the ballots are put through a counting machine in a central
> absentee precinct; the results printed out after the regular polls close
> and the results made know after the tally sheets are completed.
>
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Paul Gronke <paul.gronke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Keith
>
> Absolutely not.  I am not sure how many states actually allow this.
>
> This creates a fairly serious hitch in the election administration
> workflow.
>
> Just work through in your head what is being proposed: voters can drop off
> absentee ballots at a polling place. Where do those ballots go?  Do we
> maintain secure ballot drop boxes at every polling place?
>
> Ok suppose we do that. Now, when do those envelopes (not ballots) get
> processed?  When are signatures checked?  For states with voter intent
> provisions, how are the ballots “remade”?
>
> And finally, when are the ballot counted?
>
> In California, over a million absentee ballots are dropped off at precinct
> places on election day.  The California clerks have very good procedures
> for dealing with these, but if you are going to allow this, you must also
> be willing to wait for election results.  Most counties that I am aware of
> don’t even begin to process those absentee ballots until they open for
> business on Wednesday.
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Gaddie, Ronald K. <rkgaddie at ou.edu> wrote:
>
> Understood. Does the ability to drop at any polling place in a state hold
> across all states?
>
> Ronald Keith Gaddie, Ph.D.
> *President's Associates Presidential Professor*
> Chair, Department of Political Science
> Senior Fellow, Headington College
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 1, 2016 2:09 PM
> *To:* Gaddie, Ronald K.; Election Law
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Postage Question
>
> because the voter is free to drop it off at any polling place or voting
> center on election day.  The postage is not a requirement for returning the
> voted ballot.
>
> Richard Winger 415-922-9779 PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Gaddie, Ronald K." <rkgaddie at ou.edu>
> *To:* Election Law <Law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 1, 2016 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* [EL] Postage Question
>
> Query: A former student, who is a lawyer and a Ph.D. candidate, wrote and
> asks "how is paying postage on an absentee ballot not a poll tax?"
>
> Any knowledgable answers are greatly appreciated.
>
> Ronald Keith Gaddie, Ph.D.
> *President's Associates Presidential Professor*
> Chair, Department of Political Science
> Senior Fellow, Headington College
> Associate Director, Center for Intelligence & National Security
> General Editor, *Social Science Quarterly*
> The University of Oklahoma
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