[EL] Accepting the results of the election

[Thomas J. Cares]

(On #2, that there is just called being overzealous. 😂. I mean if you're
going to be zealous anyway, may as well turn it up and have fun with it.
I'm not on project veritas's side but I actually have always admired their
zeal. https://youtu.be/2hZTpZrrDbY

They are not as bad as Tr---I mean--- Voldemort, in my opinion. His "2nd
amendment people" foul was unforgivable, imo. Unforgivable. I believe this
sicko would disrupt things in his favor by any means he could provoke.

I don't believe project veritas has ever attempted to incite violence. Just
normal, safe overzeal, as far as I can tell).

Tom Cares
(I apologize I jumped to a conclusion earlier that Rick removed me. I saw
an email in the online archive but not in my email inbox and made a wrong
assumption I'd been removed.

On the whole Voldemort thing, I also can't forgive Voldemort for his
infliction on my love of reading newspapers. This last year was the first
time of my life I couldn't really tolerate reading newspapers - to do so
felt to belittle my existence.)



On Thursday, October 20, 2016, Jerald Lentini <jerald.lentini at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Benjamin -
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1. Your punctuation is generally excellent, so why are you putting
> RuthAlice's name in quotation marks? I assume there's a civil and
> reasonable explanation for that, and I'm curious what that might be.
>
> 2. Since you're implying that contract employees trying to shirk work
> <http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Pierce-County-to-pull-230-names-off-voter-list-1263443.php>,
> including one turned in by ACORN itself
> <http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/64013102.html>, prove that ACORN
> as a whole was nefarious and corrupt, what should we infer about an
> organization whose founder and several employees were arrested and
> convicted for illegally trying to infiltrate a U.S. Senator's office
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20100330211616/http://neworleans.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/no012610.htm> to
> access her phone system?
>
> Hope this message finds you well,
> Jerald
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','benjamin.barr at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Dear "RuthAlice,"
>>
>> Would you be talking about Latoya Lewis of ACORN who pled guilty for
>> voter registration fraud because she was "trying to meet her quota"?
>>
>> Or would you be talking about the investigation that led to five
>> Washington ACORN employees going to jail?
>>
>> Or perhaps you're talking about the Ohio indictment of four ACORN
>> employees for submitting false voter registration forms?
>>
>> Or the ACORN we discovered was happy and tolerant of a dozen underage
>> prostitutes?
>>
>> Is this the ACORN you're championing?
>>
>> Funny stuff, "RuthAlice."
>>
>> Forward,
>>
>> Benjamin Barr
>> Counsel
>> Project Veritas Action Fund
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:56 AM, RuthAlice Anderson <
>> ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>> ACORN did great work organizing low income people on the downside of
>>> power to have a voice in their communities. Most people in politics don’t
>>> care about them. Most advocacy groups don’t care about them because they
>>> are not a reliable voting bloc. ACORN’s focus was helping the poorest
>>> people to organize around poverty issues like poor public services, no
>>> storm drains, stop lights, predatory lending, and other issues that just
>>> are under the radar for grassroots groups oriented toward the middle class.
>>>
>>> Project Veritas has no purpose other than producing false, defamatory
>>> “sting” videos. ACORN’s purpose had nothing to do with underage
>>> prostitution and we know that those videos were a vicious slander.
>>>
>>> I would stand with ACORN over Veritas any day of the week.
>>>
>>> RuthAlice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','benjamin.barr at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And "RuthAlice" you'd like to attach your reputation to a group
>>> promoting underage prostitution (hint:  ACORN)? It's your life.
>>>
>>> http://www.cc.com/video-clips/4j8aff/the-daily-show-with-jon
>>> -stewart-the-audacity-of-hos
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 1:56 AM, RuthAlice Anderson <
>>> ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> T <http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf>here are links to
>>> all the investigations here
>>> http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7780&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_m
>>> edium=twitter
>>>
>>> He showed video of himself presenting himself as a pimp on the video he
>>> published, but on the unedited video, he said he was a lawyer. If you want
>>> to attach your reputation to someone like him, it’s your life.
>>>
>>> RuthAlice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:44 PM, Mark Scarberry <
>>> mark.scarberry at pepperdine.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.scarberry at pepperdine.edu');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had not heard an allegation that the ACORN videos were dubbed. Source?
>>>
>>> Mark Scarberry
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________________
>>> From: RuthAlice Anderson <ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net');>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [EL] Accepting the results of the election
>>> To: law-election at UCI.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','law-election at UCI.edu');> <
>>> law-election at uci.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','law-election at uci.edu');>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People from ACORN were fired and resigned as well and those videos were
>>> dubbed, edited and designed to deceive. The thing is, the long list of
>>> malicious misrepresentation by O’Keefe is such that if he produced the NPR
>>> Christmas Yule Log film, I would assume the log is styrofoam and the fire
>>> is photoshopped.
>>>
>>> RuthAlice
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','benjamin.barr at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you elect not to review salient information concerning voter fraud,
>>> like the Veritas evidence this week, then the ostrich position of seeing no
>>> voter fraud is sensible, Professor Hasen.
>>>
>>> But since the White House and CNN are discussing our reports, maybe you
>>> should review them?  Especially after Bob Creamer, longtime buddy of Obama,
>>> has resigned from Democracy Partners and his co-conspirator, Scott Foval of
>>> Americans United for Change were also pushed out.
>>>
>>> Seems like our reports illustrating Democratic operatives engaged in
>>> this very pursuit is noteworthy and might merit your attention.
>>>
>>> Forward,
>>>
>>> Benjamin Barr
>>> Counsel
>>> Project Veritas Action Fund
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:46 PM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhasen at law.uci.edu');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> “Commit massive voter fraud.”
>>>
>>> No evidence whatsoever of that. There are serious questions about what’s
>>> going on in Indiana, and I say let’s wait till we know all the facts.
>>>
>>> And voter registration fraud does not generally lead to fraudulently
>>> cast votes. http://electionlawblog.org/?p=87081
>>>
>>>
>>> I always thought of you as a straight shooter before this election and
>>> this voter fraud garbage. We’ve disagreed but I’ve seen you as making
>>> fundamentally honest arguments.
>>>
>>> And I’ll let others continue this with you if they see it as fruitful.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *"JBoppjr at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','JBoppjr at aol.com');>" <JBoppjr at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','JBoppjr at aol.com');>>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 8:39 PM
>>> *To: *"rkelner at cov.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rkelner at cov.com');>"
>>> <rkelner at cov.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rkelner at cov.com');>>
>>> *Cc: *Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhasen at law.uci.edu');>>, Election Law
>>> Listserv <law-election at uci.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','law-election at uci.edu');>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [EL] Accepting the results of the election
>>>
>>> What is hideous and unprecedented is this concerted attempt by liberals
>>> and Democrats to try to preclude a candidate from utilizing perfectly
>>> appropriate and legal means to ensure the fairness our elections by asking
>>> for a recount, if legally available under state law. This is particularly
>>> chilling here in Indiana when our State Police have just uncovered
>>> thousands of instances of voter registration fraud in 56 of our 92
>>> counties that is obviously a precursor to massive voter fraud.
>>>
>>> Click here: “Statement from Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug
>>> Carter Regarding Possible Voter Fraud ” from Indiana Stat
>>> <https://local.nixle.com/alert/5757504/>
>>>
>>> This looks like a one two punch to me. Commit massive voter fraud and
>>> then force a candidate to say in advance that he will accept the outcome on
>>> election day.  This is a serious attack of the Rule of Law and an attempt
>>> to subvert our elections.  Jim Bopp
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/19/2016 11:15:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> rkelner at cov.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rkelner at cov.com');>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> Of course a presidential candidate can contest results in the
>>> exceptionally rare case of a truly close election. But neither George W.
>>> Bush nor Al Gore would ever have hesitated to say, prior to the election,
>>> that they would respect the outcome of the election. That hideous
>>> distinction is now uniquely owned by Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:08 PM, "JBoppjr at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','JBoppjr at aol.com');><mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','JBoppjr at aol.com');>>" <JBoppjr at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','JBoppjr at aol.com');><mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','JBoppjr at aol.com');>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some of those on this list serve may have taken note of this exchange:
>>>
>>> Chris Wallace: "Will you accept the result of this election?"
>>> Donald Trump: "I will look at it at the time. ... I will keep you in
>>> suspense."
>>> Hillary Clinton: "That's horrifying."
>>>
>>> Let me say that I think that Clinton's reaction was as phony and as it
>>> was absurd. Al Gore did not accept the results of the 2000 election. He
>>> sued for a recount in Florida which was not resolved until early December
>>> by a decision of the US Supreme Court. Only then, when no other legal
>>> recourse was possible, did he accept the results of the election. This, of
>>> course, was Gore's legal right to do. It would be ridiculous for Trump to
>>> say in advance that he will accept the election day count, if it would be
>>> appropriate to institute a recount.
>>>
>>> State laws provide legal remedies to contest election or ask for
>>> recounts under certain circumstances. It is perfectly appropriate for a
>>> candidate to use these if legally available. Jim Bopp
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