[EL] Accepting the results of the election

[Steve Hoersting]

No, not "too long". And not "worn out its usefulness."

I've enjoyed reading most of it --  and am mostly glad the two camps are
talking.

Thanks for the debate.
On Oct 21, 2016 2:00 PM, "Benjamin Barr" <benjamin.barr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect Mr. Mattison's admonition is correct.  This thread is incredibly
> long and quickly wearing out its usefulness.
>
> I am concerned about the well-established pattern of criminal misconduct
> by ACORN.  I'm proud of James and his team for bringing that to light.
>
> I am not so concerned about one-time incidents related to civil
> disobedience by reporters to pursue a lead.  That's fairly common, like the
> WaPo and Huffington Post reporters arrested in Ferguson, or the Vice News
> reporter arrested in Houston at a Trump event.
>
> I'll conclude my posts for the time being on this topic as I have far too
> much legal work to do.  Stay tuned!
>
> Forward,
>
> Benjamin Barr
> Counsel
> Project Veritas Action Fund
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Jerald Lentini <jerald.lentini at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Benjamin -
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1. Your punctuation is generally excellent, so why are you putting
>> RuthAlice's name in quotation marks? I assume there's a civil and
>> reasonable explanation for that, and I'm curious what that might be.
>>
>> 2. Since you're implying that contract employees trying to shirk work
>> <http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Pierce-County-to-pull-230-names-off-voter-list-1263443.php>,
>> including one turned in by ACORN itself
>> <http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/64013102.html>, prove that ACORN
>> as a whole was nefarious and corrupt, what should we infer about an
>> organization whose founder and several employees were arrested and
>> convicted for illegally trying to infiltrate a U.S. Senator's office
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20100330211616/http://neworleans.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/no012610.htm> to
>> access her phone system?
>>
>> Hope this message finds you well,
>> Jerald
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear "RuthAlice,"
>>>
>>> Would you be talking about Latoya Lewis of ACORN who pled guilty for
>>> voter registration fraud because she was "trying to meet her quota"?
>>>
>>> Or would you be talking about the investigation that led to five
>>> Washington ACORN employees going to jail?
>>>
>>> Or perhaps you're talking about the Ohio indictment of four ACORN
>>> employees for submitting false voter registration forms?
>>>
>>> Or the ACORN we discovered was happy and tolerant of a dozen underage
>>> prostitutes?
>>>
>>> Is this the ACORN you're championing?
>>>
>>> Funny stuff, "RuthAlice."
>>>
>>> Forward,
>>>
>>> Benjamin Barr
>>> Counsel
>>> Project Veritas Action Fund
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:56 AM, RuthAlice Anderson <
>>> ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ACORN did great work organizing low income people on the downside of
>>>> power to have a voice in their communities. Most people in politics don’t
>>>> care about them. Most advocacy groups don’t care about them because they
>>>> are not a reliable voting bloc. ACORN’s focus was helping the poorest
>>>> people to organize around poverty issues like poor public services, no
>>>> storm drains, stop lights, predatory lending, and other issues that just
>>>> are under the radar for grassroots groups oriented toward the middle class.
>>>>
>>>> Project Veritas has no purpose other than producing false, defamatory
>>>> “sting” videos. ACORN’s purpose had nothing to do with underage
>>>> prostitution and we know that those videos were a vicious slander.
>>>>
>>>> I would stand with ACORN over Veritas any day of the week.
>>>>
>>>> RuthAlice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And "RuthAlice" you'd like to attach your reputation to a group
>>>> promoting underage prostitution (hint:  ACORN)? It's your life.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cc.com/video-clips/4j8aff/the-daily-show-with-jon
>>>> -stewart-the-audacity-of-hos
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 1:56 AM, RuthAlice Anderson <
>>>> ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> T <http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf>here are links
>>>> to all the investigations here
>>>> http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7780&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_m
>>>> edium=twitter
>>>>
>>>> He showed video of himself presenting himself as a pimp on the video he
>>>> published, but on the unedited video, he said he was a lawyer. If you want
>>>> to attach your reputation to someone like him, it’s your life.
>>>>
>>>> RuthAlice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:44 PM, Mark Scarberry <
>>>> mark.scarberry at pepperdine.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had not heard an allegation that the ACORN videos were dubbed. Source?
>>>>
>>>> Mark Scarberry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________
>>>> From: RuthAlice Anderson <ruthalice.anderson at comcast.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [EL] Accepting the results of the election
>>>> To: law-election at UCI.edu <law-election at uci.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People from ACORN were fired and resigned as well and those videos were
>>>> dubbed, edited and designed to deceive. The thing is, the long list of
>>>> malicious misrepresentation by O’Keefe is such that if he produced the NPR
>>>> Christmas Yule Log film, I would assume the log is styrofoam and the fire
>>>> is photoshopped.
>>>>
>>>> RuthAlice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you elect not to review salient information concerning voter fraud,
>>>> like the Veritas evidence this week, then the ostrich position of seeing no
>>>> voter fraud is sensible, Professor Hasen.
>>>>
>>>> But since the White House and CNN are discussing our reports, maybe you
>>>> should review them?  Especially after Bob Creamer, longtime buddy of Obama,
>>>> has resigned from Democracy Partners and his co-conspirator, Scott Foval of
>>>> Americans United for Change were also pushed out.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like our reports illustrating Democratic operatives engaged in
>>>> this very pursuit is noteworthy and might merit your attention.
>>>>
>>>> Forward,
>>>>
>>>> Benjamin Barr
>>>> Counsel
>>>> Project Veritas Action Fund
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:46 PM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> “Commit massive voter fraud.”
>>>>
>>>> No evidence whatsoever of that. There are serious questions about
>>>> what’s going on in Indiana, and I say let’s wait till we know all the facts.
>>>>
>>>> And voter registration fraud does not generally lead to fraudulently
>>>> cast votes. http://electionlawblog.org/?p=87081
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I always thought of you as a straight shooter before this election and
>>>> this voter fraud garbage. We’ve disagreed but I’ve seen you as making
>>>> fundamentally honest arguments.
>>>>
>>>> And I’ll let others continue this with you if they see it as fruitful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"JBoppjr at aol.com" <JBoppjr at aol.com>
>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 8:39 PM
>>>> *To: *"rkelner at cov.com" <rkelner at cov.com>
>>>> *Cc: *Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu>, Election Law Listserv <
>>>> law-election at uci.edu>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [EL] Accepting the results of the election
>>>>
>>>> What is hideous and unprecedented is this concerted attempt by liberals
>>>> and Democrats to try to preclude a candidate from utilizing perfectly
>>>> appropriate and legal means to ensure the fairness our elections by asking
>>>> for a recount, if legally available under state law. This is particularly
>>>> chilling here in Indiana when our State Police have just uncovered
>>>> thousands of instances of voter registration fraud in 56 of our 92
>>>> counties that is obviously a precursor to massive voter fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Click here: “Statement from Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug
>>>> Carter Regarding Possible Voter Fraud ” from Indiana Stat
>>>> <https://local.nixle.com/alert/5757504/>
>>>>
>>>> This looks like a one two punch to me. Commit massive voter fraud and
>>>> then force a candidate to say in advance that he will accept the outcome on
>>>> election day.  This is a serious attack of the Rule of Law and an attempt
>>>> to subvert our elections.  Jim Bopp
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/19/2016 11:15:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> rkelner at cov.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Of course a presidential candidate can contest results in the
>>>> exceptionally rare case of a truly close election. But neither George W.
>>>> Bush nor Al Gore would ever have hesitated to say, prior to the election,
>>>> that they would respect the outcome of the election. That hideous
>>>> distinction is now uniquely owned by Donald Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:08 PM, "JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com
>>>> <JBoppjr at aol.com>>" <JBoppjr at aol.com<mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com
>>>> <JBoppjr at aol.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some of those on this list serve may have taken note of this exchange:
>>>>
>>>> Chris Wallace: "Will you accept the result of this election?"
>>>> Donald Trump: "I will look at it at the time. ... I will keep you in
>>>> suspense."
>>>> Hillary Clinton: "That's horrifying."
>>>>
>>>> Let me say that I think that Clinton's reaction was as phony and as it
>>>> was absurd. Al Gore did not accept the results of the 2000 election. He
>>>> sued for a recount in Florida which was not resolved until early December
>>>> by a decision of the US Supreme Court. Only then, when no other legal
>>>> recourse was possible, did he accept the results of the election. This, of
>>>> course, was Gore's legal right to do. It would be ridiculous for Trump to
>>>> say in advance that he will accept the election day count, if it would be
>>>> appropriate to institute a recount.
>>>>
>>>> State laws provide legal remedies to contest election or ask for
>>>> recounts under certain circumstances. It is perfectly appropriate for a
>>>> candidate to use these if legally available. Jim Bopp
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