[EL] Fwd: CU Tomorrow?
Gaddie, Ronald K.
rkgaddie at ou.edu
Fri Jan 19 05:06:33 PST 2018
Perhaps you could all take this up offlist?
Keith Gaddie, Ph.D.
Executive Faculty Fellow, Office of the President
Senior Fellow of Headington College
President's Associates Presidential Professor
The University of Oklahoma
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Subject: Re: [EL] Fwd: CU Tomorrow?
Dear Mr. Barr,
I am not a participant in this conversation, so I don’t know why you brought me up. And again, you put quotes around my name again. What is your problem with my name that it requires scare quotes every time you use it? It’s not a terribly difficult name, I don’t know what your problem is. If it frightens you so much, I suggest you keep my name out of your messages, particularly when I have not commented at all.
RuthAlice - NO SCARE QUOTES
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On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.barr at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello, Kathay/"AlliceRuth" and so on,
I was happy to ready Steve's easily digestible information. There is an "Unrig Summit." People with lots of moola get to attend and influence policy. Nifty!
But then we learn, from Mr. Klein's diligent work, that FOREIGN NATIONALS might impact national policy. Oh dear, quite the policy pickle, yes? You are "not sure" how that applies to a non-profit organization. But remember, non-profits may engage in a whole host of FEC-sanctioned FEC activity, like real volunteer activity (see FEC AO 2014-20). Or a foreign national might sing some songs in a concert, as cited in MUR 5987. Neat! Foreigners get to speak. I'm happy; you should be happy, unless maybe Metallica is singing. Sigh.
Still, many on the reform and anti-reform side are concerned about those who are not running for office, but who could influence office. And while Steve and I, free speech aficionados, may not worry about such intricacies, many do. Hopefully, we can spur helpful guidelines that distinguish regulated/illegal speech from unregulated/free speech.
Now where is that old ouija board. I'm sure I'll find it in a day or two and we can keep up this banter. Nifty.
Thanks,
Benjamin Barr
President
Pillar of Law Institute
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Kathay Feng <kfeng at commoncause.org<mailto:kfeng at commoncause.org>> wrote:
Steve, you might start with some known facts, instead of just hurling innuendos. But maybe that’s the best you have got.
First, lots of people are going to the Unrig Summit, and I don’t know of any of the speakers, reformers or otherwise, who are getting honorariums or are otherwise paid. If you know of someone who is, I’d be happy to lobby RepresentUs to support the rest of us.
Second, I guess the point of your post is that, 1: RepresentUs raised money for itself through the web, 2: the winner of the prize appears to be in London, so 3: RepresentUs is hypocritical for taking an online donation / bid from someone who may be a foreign national, and 4) that must mean that all reformers are just as hypocritical because no one has demanded to comb through their donation records to establish the immigration status of all their donor/bidders.
Really? Campaign finance laws that restrict candidates from raising money from foreign nationals are about ensuring that the people who are ultimately elected to government are primarily accountable to people who live in the US. It’s a fundamental principle of representative democracy.
I am not sure how that concern applies to a non-profit organization. Last time I checked, Josh Silver was not running for office, and RepresentUs is not trying to serve as anyone’s elected representative in government. They don’t get to pass laws that impact on constituents, though they certainly exercise their first amendment rights to advocate for certain policies.
I get that maybe you are cynical about their message or policy ideas, or even their star power. But I think it would benefit the robust marketplace exchange of ideas that this listserv is trying to promote if your arguments were rooted in facts and logic.
Kathay Feng
Executive Director, California Common Cause
National Redistricting Director, Common Cause
From: Law-election [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu<mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>] On Behalf Of Allison Hayward
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Subject: Re: [EL] Fwd: CU Tomorrow?
I am just grooving to the statement “Allison is correct, of course.”
Have a great day, y’all.
A.
Commissioner Allison Hayward
Ahayward at fppc.ca.gov<mailto:Ahayward at fppc.ca.gov>
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Subject: Re: [EL] Fwd: CU Tomorrow?
Fascinating write-up Steve. Is anyone getting paid to go to that Unrig Summit? I went back-and-forth with the organizer when he invited me—“we really want balance” despite Eric Wang being the only First Amendment guy among the 40+ “reformers” when I checked—but he kept insisting that I pay my own way or have Cato “in-kind” my travel (which locution is as grating as the request). Hope you’re billing someone for your time, Eric, because this seems like a colossal waste of it. And do say hi to J-Law for me.
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On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com<mailto:stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank, you Jeff, for this incisive piece, which includes this nugget:
All of the sources spoke on condition of anonymity because Mueller’s investigation is confidential and mostly involves classified information.
So much for disclosure and the informational interest.
But I digress. In all seriousness, I expect the pressing issue of foreign influence will be further explored at Represent’s “Unrig the System Summit” in just a few short weeks.
All you reformers lucky enough to get per diem (maybe even honorarium?): don’t let indications that foreign money from around the world might be supporting your unrigging effort give you pause.
https://pillaroflaw.org/2017/10/13/did-represent-us-just-bag-a-bunch-of-omaze-ing-foreign-money/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fpillaroflaw.org-252F2017-252F10-252F13-252Fdid-2Drepresent-2Dus-2Djust-2Dbag-2Da-2Dbunch-2Dof-2Domaze-2Ding-2Dforeign-2Dmoney-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Ckfeng-2540commoncause.org-257Cb449494557d64289919508d55ed3682f-257Cdb39e4b4de324cf9b66e9d02d8172178-257C0-257C1-257C636519184488129809-26sdata-3DAV8mhKQT8NDcVXN0-252B6r5V4xXwtubbo-252BGzdxhlAnOq5M-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=qKdtBuuu6dQK9MsRUVJ2DPXW6oayO8fu4TfEHS8sGNk&r=itJIms9G3wxvyGkmVqA7xg&m=YdfBB4xV8Cgo11EvYr1iOOCoQJofd88xSKBf9zwaPBk&s=FTeXFS2-kM9d7i8XlLy-9QFJeceBv1F20EAF3YWjcuQ&e=>
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html#storylink=cpy<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.mcclatchydc.com-252Fnews-252Fnation-2Dworld-252Fnational-252Farticle195231139.html-2523storylink-253Dcpy-26data-3D02-257C01-257Ckfeng-2540commoncause.org-257Cb449494557d64289919508d55ed3682f-257Cdb39e4b4de324cf9b66e9d02d8172178-257C0-257C1-257C636519184488129809-26sdata-3DtwBX-252FAVdIwdBt0JdycZ3xq-252FMvM45e0ATZsS51qtZvaA-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=qKdtBuuu6dQK9MsRUVJ2DPXW6oayO8fu4TfEHS8sGNk&r=itJIms9G3wxvyGkmVqA7xg&m=YdfBB4xV8Cgo11EvYr1iOOCoQJofd88xSKBf9zwaPBk&s=p37zIDb5xDzT4lAznOrisyNXA5LJaiACVEHkfBMuXqo&e=>
Like disclosure, fighting foreign money is really a case-by-case platitude.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Jeff Hauser <jeffhauser at gmail.com<mailto:jeffhauser at gmail.com>> wrote:
In light of indications that Russian oligarchs helped Trump via the NRA ( http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.mcclatchydc.com-252Fnews-252Fnation-2Dworld-252Fnational-252Farticle195231139.html-26data-3D02-257C01-257Ckfeng-2540commoncause.org-257Cb449494557d64289919508d55ed3682f-257Cdb39e4b4de324cf9b66e9d02d8172178-257C0-257C1-257C636519184488129809-26sdata-3DmIIo-252F-252F99csg4RfTyqEqprXVLlzgd-252FUqxmg223E2xlLE-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=qKdtBuuu6dQK9MsRUVJ2DPXW6oayO8fu4TfEHS8sGNk&r=itJIms9G3wxvyGkmVqA7xg&m=YdfBB4xV8Cgo11EvYr1iOOCoQJofd88xSKBf9zwaPBk&s=ni5RteWEl-kHTcSOpjkQVByfRveFV44iaSu89TXEZps&e=> ),
a reminder of this election law listserv debate from 2010.
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From: Smith, Brad <BSmith at law.capital.edu<mailto:BSmith at law.capital.edu>>
Date: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [EL] CU Tomorrow?
To: Allison Hayward <ahayward at gmu.edu<mailto:ahayward at gmu.edu>>, Jonathan Singer <jonathanhsinger at gmail.com<mailto:jonathanhsinger at gmail.com>>
Cc: election-law at mailman.lls.edu<mailto:election-law at mailman.lls.edu>
Allison is correct, of course, but to further clarify, "foreign nationals" does not include permanent resident aliens. So foreign citizens can and do make not only expenditures but direct contributions. I certainly think that that is a good thing and further, that it is constitutionally protected, even though these alien residents are not eligible to vote under most state laws, and have been found not to have a constitutional right to vote.
Bradley A. Smith
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From: Allison Hayward [mailto:ahayward at gmu.edu<mailto:ahayward at gmu.edu>]
Sent: Wed 1/20/2010 5:29 PM
To: Jonathan Singer
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Subject: Re: [EL] CU Tomorrow?
HI, Jonathan - I'll give this a shot.
As the law stands right now, foreign nationals are prohibited from making independent expenditures in federal elections. They are also prohibited from making decisions related to such expenditures, or from fundraising. They can. however, volunteer. Generous, isn't it? So I am not sure your scenario plays out.
I think this is hard to defend, frankly. We are a big, powerful, important country, and our policies affect everybody else quite profoundly. I do not see why its a good idea, and I don't see how it is constitutional, to insulate American voters from the opinions of foreign nationals, other things being equal.
We aren't talking about foreign funding into candidate coffers. Just spending.
r>
On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Singer wrote:
I'm not sure I understand to what the "no" refers. That foreign nationals and corporations in fact do have a right to make expenditures in American elections? Or something else (in which case which of my questions)?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, and if it's a discussion that has already occurred on [EL] I apologize for bringing it up again. But the flow of foreign capital into American elections is something that interests me, at the least, and presumably some others, too.
Jonathan
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Smith, Brad <BSmith at law.capital.edu<mailto:BSmith at law.capital.edu>> wrote:
No.
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To: Smith, Brad
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Subject: Re: [EL] CU Tomorrow?
Okay. So if foreign nationals do not have the right to make campaign expenditures, nor do foreign corporations, why should their money be allowed to play a role in American elections as shareholders in corporations chartered in the United States? If a British national owned a major stake in an American corporation, wouldn't his or her dollars be flowing into our elections if that corporation were allowed to spend unlimited dollars? If a foreign owned company -- say Dubai Ports World -- has a subsidiary chartered in the United States, and that American corporation were allowed to spend freely, would n't DPW e right to spend unlimited amounts of money on American elections simply by chartering a subsidiary in the states?
Or would there be some sort of balancing test to determine the extent to which foreign dollars could be funneled into American elections through corporations chartered in the United States in a way they wouldn't be allowed if not funneled as such? In which case where's the line?
Jonathan
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Smith, Brad <BSmith at law.capital.edu<mailto:BSmith at law.capital.edu>> wrote:
Jon,
The reasons h ave noth to do with being a "non-voter."
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Capital University Law School
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Subject: Re: [EL] CU Tomorrow?
So are foreign nationals constitutionally protected to spend unlimited amounts of money on American elections? How about foreign governments? They're non-voters.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:46 AM, <jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>> wrote:
I am dying to know the authority for this strange statement:
'"I I wouldn't be surprised if a Justice were
to threaten resignation in protest or make some other especially harsh
statement, if the opinion turns to embrace the conclusion that voters
have no power to regulate the political speech of non-voters.
I know of no court decision that suggests that just because you cannot vote, you cannot speak about politics or that voters have some special power to regulate non-voters. Where does this come from? Jim Bopp
In a message dated 1/20/2010 1:11:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lehto.paul at gmail.com<mailto:lehto.paul at gmail.com> writes:
In other places I've been suggesting that there's not only a fight on
the Supr as bad or worse than Bush v. Gore's
wrangling on the court (we only learned about this subsequent to 2000
for the most part).
I've also been saying that I wouldn't be surprised if a Justice were
to threaten resignation in protest or make some other especially harsh
statement, if the opinion turns to embrace the conclusion that voters
have no power to regulate the political speech of non-voters.
Political parties have recognized associational rights and can kick
out members, but apparently We the People will be deemed to have no
right or power to regulate the political speech of non-members
(non-voters). This kind of conclusion, namely that there's no power
to regulate activities of non-voters, are shocking and grave, as
directly suggested concerning money in elections by Ex Parte Yarbrough
(holding broad implied powers exist, such as to protect elections from
corruption of money, force, and fraud)
Ex Pa rte Yarb as the First Amendment, the
First Amendment only seems younger because it has been far more
contested and thus spawned much litigation.
Until relatively very recently in our country's history, it has not
been seriously contested that the government lacks power to regulate
finances in elections. A ruling that affirms any such principle will
be a historical reversal and a revolution against democracy. Rather
than using such a disturbing term, justices will instead in their
dissents or concurrences in part draft a list of disturbing
implications, but a revolution in our law is what it adds up to.
As fundamental and important as the first amendment is, there's one
thing even more fundamental, and that is free elections. Free
elections are those free from corruption, fraud or force, and an
election with unregulated money will not be perceived as legitimate by
at least 75% of the electorate: All Po litician es or actions, will be deemed "bought and paid for.'
Again, this approach is not mine, it's the approach of the court in Ex
Parte Yarbrough -- see Jonathan Singer's post yesterday on that for a
concise view of how that conservative court unanimously saw the free
use of money as just as dangerous as Klan election violence.
Paul Lehto, Juris Doctor
On 1/20/10, Rick Hasen <hasenr at gmail.com<mailto:hasenr at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I meant to write they have orders, not argument, Monday
>
> Rick Hasen wrote:
>>
>> Now They Are Toying With Us
>>
>> The Supreme Court has announced a special sitting Thursday, and my
>> understanding is that one or more opinions will be released.
>>
>> It is hard to imagine why they would do this if not to release Citizens
>> United.
>>
>> But it is odd eve , why not wait until Monday,
>> when they won't have argument in any cases? Here's my thinking: some of
>> the Justices might not be in town Monday (they meet on Friday in
>> conference, but have no arguments on Monday). If some Justices want to
>> read parts of their opinions aloud, especially dissents, they may want the
>> Thursday session to do so in person. I recall Justice Breyer's oral
>> dissent in 2007: "It is not often in the law that so few have so quickly
>> changed so much."
>>
>> Posted by Rick Hasen at 09:34 AM
>>
>> --
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