[EL] [Lawcourt-l] My piece in The Hill: US House v Trump: The case law favors Congress

Sat May 11 06:06:35 PDT 2019

Folks,

Please try to keep this discussion to matters of law.   We all have partisan political takes but on matters that are not strictly election law let’s try to take our political viewpoints elsewhere.

That doesn’t mean we all have to be non-partisan.  But I think we generally only want to hear unhinged, or totally correct, views on things that are directly relevant to the forum.

Thanks,

Kevin (just so we lay off the moderators for a bit)

On May 10, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Eric J Segall <esegall at gsu.edu<mailto:esegall at gsu.edu>> wrote:

Sandy and I were talking about the base, not what the Court or police would do. My state just passed a law allowing police to investigate miscarriages and treat them as second degree murder. Many voters would rather have a murderer President than a pro-choice President. I’m not talking about everyone who is anti-choice, but think about Ga’s law, and you see the problem. What’s one life compared to millions of babies.

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On May 10, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Henry Frank Carey <hcarey at gsu.edu<mailto:hcarey at gsu.edu>> wrote:

In a liberal democracy, majority rule is limited by the law. If Trump could get away with murdering someone on Fifth Avenue, the USA would be a personalist democracy, a la Putin's Russia. I don't even believe this Supreme Court would uphold executive privilege for subpoenas for information about high crimes and misdemeanors, let alone uphold the president's prerogative for murder in the face of a determined NYC police force that had arrested Trump for murder.

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Subject: Re: [Lawcourt-l] My piece in The Hill: US House v Trump: The case law favors Congress

He absolutely could get away with it because his base would say “better the death of one person than 1,000,000 babies.” I am quite sure he wouldn’t lose his base Scott.

e

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On May 10, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Scott Gerber <s-gerber at onu.edu<mailto:s-gerber at onu.edu>> wrote:

Sandy writes: "their purported champion who could indeed murder someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it."

I respectfully disagree with Sandy that President Trump could get away with that.

I'm not sure why Sandy continues to use such hyperbole.

Scott

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:27 PM Levinson, Sanford V <SLevinson at law.utexas.edu<mailto:SLevinson at law.utexas.edu>> wrote:
I suspect Lief is right. Trump’s strategy is to heighten the contradictions inherent in our vaunted separation of powers/checks and balances system that incentivizes constitutional hardball and a sense of constitutional crisis among the people who care about such things. But Trump’s base will dismiss the controversy as simply lawyers shouting at one another and stick with their purported champion who could indeed murder someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it. Indeed, my wife and I saw the new production of “Oklahoma” in New York on Tuesday, and the denouement of this production is that “oh what a beautiful morning” Curly gets away with the cold-blooded murder of Jud, the creepy loner, because the good folks of the town run the equivalent of a reverse kangaroo court and acquit him because of “self-defense.”  I suspect much the same would happen today among these denizens of law-and-order with regard to those unlike themselves.

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When I game the current confrontations in DC, I can’t help reaching the conclusion that Trump WANTS the House to impeach him.  Whether this is a smart strategy for Trump is another question, but it will certainly be the ultimate distraction and will be red meat to his base.  In this game scenario, whom the book-law favors is almost irrelevant.  Trump simply needs to keep 20 or so senators on his side to avoid conviction.

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