[EL] Kleinfelds’ proposal

Thu Apr 9 07:51:40 PDT 2020

 My question about the proposal: what impact (if any) will drive-through
voting have on line/queue management?  A line of 50 voters on foot snaking
around a building corner is much different than a line of 50 (or 200!)
voters in their vehicles clogging up nearby public roads.

Communication with incoming voters may also be an issue.  It's one thing to
put a "Vote Here" sign (or two, or three) in a parking lot. But when the
line of cars snakes two (or ten) blocks, incoming voters may not initially
understand that this backed-up traffic is all waiting to vote.  So these
new voters may attempt to head straight to the polling place, then have to
exit and re-route back to the end of the line of vehicles.  I can envision
this creating a further traffic build-up.

I imagine that, with some test-runs and practice, drive-through voting
might eventually become a well-oiled machine.  But we're talking about
trying it on a large scale for the first time in the largest election held
every four years.  Growing pains are inevitable, and the scale of the
election has the potential to magnify them.  (Of course, there may not be
any better options.)

Steve Kolbert
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mark <markrush7983 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all--
>
> The proposal is beyond reasonable and wise.  Yet, alas, it may fail due to
> the septic state of politics in the USA.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jeff Hauser <jeffhauser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> " We need another Bauer-Ginsberg commission or some such"
>>
>> Haha yeah that was a resounding success!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:29 AM Ilya Shapiro <IShapiro at cato.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Holding small business loans hostage to election funding is not a way to
>>> enhance confidence in whatever crisis-related tweaks are necessary. Either
>>> this stuff passes on its own terms or it shouldn’t pass. The concern isn’t
>>> about “voting rights” as such—the pre-corona “suppression” meme/myth is not
>>> something Republicans will magically now sign onto—but having functioning
>>> elections and avoiding the Wisconsin game of chicken where nobody wins
>>> (even if the supreme courts were 100% correct in their legal rulings). We
>>> need another Bauer-Ginsberg commission or some such, un-sexy technocratic
>>> reforms to help election administration, not ideological ones that
>>> reinforce priors. The Kleinfeld proposal is consistent with that (and the
>>> Kleinfeld siblings are themselves on opposite partisan sides, albeit
>>> narrowly straddling the divide).
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* Law-election *On Behalf Of *Jeff Hauser
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 8:56 AM
>>> *To:* Sean Parnell <sean at impactpolicymanagement.com>
>>> *Cc:* Election Law Listserv <law-election at uci.edu>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Kleinfelds’ proposal
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>>>
>>>
>>> " Federal funding would no doubt help make the decision to expand
>>> absentee voting easier, but lack of funding is not an absolute barrier."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The literature on "states rights" and the history of access to voting in
>>> this country strongly suggests federal action is necessary. House Democrats
>>> are necessary to keeping GOP leaning business owners/equity holders afloat,
>>> and it strikes me as both necessary and proper that funding such efforts be
>>> tied to de facto voting rights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:47 AM Sean Parnell <
>>> sean at impactpolicymanagement.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It’s probably worth noting that states generally fund and run their own
>>> elections, so there’s no real need to go through McConnell and Trump to
>>> expand absentee voting and other options. Federal funding would no doubt
>>> help make the decision to expand absentee voting easier, but lack of
>>> funding is not an absolute barrier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean Parnell
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>>>
>>> *From:* Law-election <law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu> *On
>>> Behalf Of *David Segal
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 10:29 PM
>>> *To:* Eric J Segall <esegall at gsu.edu>
>>> *Cc:* Election Law Listserv <law-election at uci.edu>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Kleinfelds’ proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's good that they are pushing and I think a patchwork of purple, and
>>> even some red, states might implement procedures along these lines. (Hard
>>> to imagine that all would, which might implicate the POTUS race and would
>>> certainly have impacts on Congress and state and local races.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But it's very hard for me to see a path under any circumstances through
>>> McConnell and Trump, even if Congressional Ds prioritize this more in
>>> negotiations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do other folks here think otherwise, re: the politics of the bulk of
>>> R-controlled states and Congress, and if so would you be able to speak to
>>> what it looks like in more detail?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:59 PM Eric J Segall <esegall at gsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. excellent piece, great ideas, and thanks Ilya for supporting it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Ilya Shapiro <IShapiro at cato.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I thought this was solid and would get bipartisan support:
>>>
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