[EL] GOP pushes absentee ballot applications and Trump condems"mail in balloting"

Mon Apr 13 06:20:51 PDT 2020

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On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Marty Lederman <Martin.Lederman at law.georgetown.edu> wrote:

uh, "the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations."

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:15 AM Jim <jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>> wrote:
Yes, the time, place, and manner of elections is reserved to the States under the Constitution. The manner of voting is clearly a “manner.”

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Subject: Re: [EL] GOP pushes absentee ballot applications and Trump condems"mail in balloting"

As I understand it, that's the California system--and it's what Rick has been suggesting.

Any reason Democrats and many Republicans in Congress shouldn't be trying to enact a statute requiring states to do at least that (and allowing but not requiring them to go further toward the Oregon model if they wish)?

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:49 AM Trevor Potter <tpotter at capdale.com<mailto:tpotter at capdale.com>> wrote:
There is another difference between the two regimes Jim describes — perhaps a compromise— in which “no-excuse “ absentee ballot requests are mailed to every voter , so that those who wish to vote by mail may easily request a ballot. Several states are heading down this path...
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Subject: [EL] GOP pushes absentee ballot applications and Trump condems "mail in balloting"

This is the problem with conflating "absentee balloting" and current "mail in balloting" schemes -- it leads to partisan attacks claiming phony hypocrisy.

While both traditional "absentee balloting" and current "mail in balloting" schemes promoted by Democrats involve "mailing a ballot," this is superficial. There is at least one big substantive difference which leads Republicans and Trump to support and use absentee balloting, as the WaPo correctly points out, while opposing current "mail in balloting" schemes.

In absentee balloting, a prior application is required in order to get a ballot and that is what many GOP state parties are now promoting.

In current mail in balloting scheme, no application is needed and ballots are just mailed wholesale to all registered voters. Republican believe that this required application is a vital fraud protection measure and is an important basis for Republican's opposition.

I really think we need to understand the difference and get the terminology right. Jim Bopp

In a message dated 4/12/2020 11:55:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rhasen at law.uci.edu<mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu> writes:

“GOP pushes voting by mail — with restrictions — as Trump attacks it as ‘corrupt’”<https://electionlawblog.org/?p=110678<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D110678&data=02%7C01%7Cesegall%40gsu.edu%7Ca1e2f2e861744fdd2c4808d7dfacfecf%7C515ad73d8d5e4169895c9789dc742a70%7C0%7C0%7C637223806420800081&sdata=sG1Z8DDQzS2DnaFrHSBFyQiVYKfWCdx4ejBzVh40c5g%3D&reserved=0>>

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The same week President Trump told the public that voting by mail is “corrupt<https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-calls-vote-by-mail-efforts-corrupt/2020/04/08/ad9b3706-3072-41a3-87a6-2525ae6be436_video.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_1&itid=lk_inline_manual_1<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fvideo%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-calls-vote-by-mail-efforts-corrupt%2F2020%2F04%2F08%2Fad9b3706-3072-41a3-87a6-2525ae6be436_video.html%3Ftid%3Dlk_inline_manual_1%26itid%3Dlk_inline_manual_1&data=02%7C01%7Cesegall%40gsu.edu%7Ca1e2f2e861744fdd2c4808d7dfacfecf%7C515ad73d8d5e4169895c9789dc742a70%7C0%7C0%7C637223806420820071&sdata=4umI7BBYmKKR3AT0hoJXg%2F%2Fr%2FE57qsmZEpSyNRZ%2FPC8%3D&reserved=0>>” and “ripe for fraud<https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1248031484532928514<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FrealDonaldTrump%2Fstatus%2F1248031484532928514&data=02%7C01%7Cesegall%40gsu.edu%7Ca1e2f2e861744fdd2c4808d7dfacfecf%7C515ad73d8d5e4169895c9789dc742a70%7C0%7C0%7C637223806420820071&sdata=ArVihxoZssDrKqlfT5rhw2TdcJxZBsoc0k%2F2AO9ySw4%3D&reserved=0>>,” his own party was sending a very different message to Republican voters in Pennsylvania.

“Voting by mail is an easy, convenient and secure way to cast your ballot,” read a mail piece the Republican National Committee distributed across the Keystone State. “Return the attached official Republican Party mail-in ballot application to avoid lines and protect yourself from large crowds on Election Day.”

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I can tell you that’s not the case in Ohio. As I’ve said, we’re fortunate that we’ve been doing vote by mail for a long time. We know how to do it, and we know how to get it done securely.

Hope we can get back to normal for November, but we’ll be ready no matter the situation.

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