[EL] Student Voting

[David Segal]

I agree with everything Pam wrote, as somebody who has as an elected
official represented one district that was dense in student dorms and one
that was not, and who had to spend a decade mediating town-gown disputes of
all variety.

The notion that folks need to prove that they intend to spend a majority of
their time somewhere for *more than four years* in order to justify voting
there represent an absurd standard. And of course many or most don't return
to their parents homes at length after school -- and even fewer "intend" to
do so. Many stay in the communities in which they attend school after their
studies are over -- this is generally something such communities seek to
encourage, and encouraging participation in civic life is one mechanism
through which to do so.

(Moreover many grad students were there for 1-2 year masters programs, so
for a default expected tenure that's shorter than an undergrad's. Should
people doing masters programs in their mid/late 20s vote from the bedroom
at their parents' home that was turned into an office after they moved out,
or from their parents' new condo in retirement communities?)

On the question of whether populations that aren't allowed to vote should
be counted towards population when drawing districts -- the ACLU has argued
no on this in the context of our main prison, which now happens to be in
the district of our House Speaker, and effectively reduces the voting
population of his district by around 30%.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-judge-orders-end-prison-gerrymandering-cranston-school-and-city-council

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Pamela S Karlan <pkarlan at stanford.edu>
wrote:

> The Census has a policy of counting students who live in university-owned
> housing (which overlaps significantly with on-campus) as residents of that
> housing.  See
> https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/modifying-2020-operations-for-counting-college-students.html for
> its decision to do this even though campuses have shut down and required
> students to move out.
>
> Obviously, there is daylight between where people are counted and where
> they have their roots (think, most obviously, of incarcerated people — and
> look at Peter Wagner’s invaluable Prisoners of the Census website for more
> on this).  And when it comes to local elections, any given student will
> likely not be there years down the road to bear the consequences of local
> bond issues, etc.  But is it any more likely that an 18-22 year-old will be
> living at her parents’ house five years later (I imagine many parents hope
> not)?  And there is a constant presence of students in college towns, so
> should that bloc of residents not be counted at all in local decision
> making or should we think about it as a form of virtual representation?
> And if only the student population provides an area with high enough
> population to merit a seat in the state legislature, should that too be
> adjusted downward if students aren’t allowed to vote there?  I know when I
> teach the voting rights class, these issues always (and not surprisingly)
> prompt a good discussion.
>
> Pamela S. Karlan
> Kenneth and Harle Montgomery Professor of Public Interest Law
> Co-Director, Stanford Supreme Court Litigation Clinic
> Stanford Law School
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> On Apr 19, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Pildes, Rick <rick.pildes at nyu.edu> wrote:
>
> 
>
> More broadly on the subject of student voting, students are the largest
> group of voters who often have the choice of voting in one of two states
> (the other are military voters, but that’s a much smaller group).  Whenever
> I poll my law students in election years, most of them tell me they will
> vote in whichever of their two options is the closest to being a swing
> state in the presidential election, to the extent they can legally choose
> either.
>
>
>
> I’ve often thought from a systemic perspective this is an area in which
> we’d  be better off with a uniform national policy, at least for federal
> elections.   That won’t happen, politically, but every election cycle in
> many states we face political struggle, litigation, confusion about this
> issue, as well as the fact that a number of states change their laws on
> this from one election to another.
>
>
>
> Would Congress have the power to adopt legislation on this for national
> elections?  This is a borderline issue in constitutional law.  States have
> the power to determine the qualifications needed to be able to vote, even
> for national elections.  So states would have the power to determine
> whether they only permit residents (usually defined as presence and intent
> to remain) to vote or also permit those who are merely domiciled there to
> vote.  But once states chose residency, for example, Congress might have
> some room to regulate what’s required to prove bona fide residency.
>
>
>
> But this is a theoretical issue, because Congress is highly unlikely to
> have enough consensus on the right policy to legislate on this at all.
>
>
>
> *From:* Law-election [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu]
> *On Behalf Of *Trevor Potter
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 10:57 AM
> *To:* Michael J. Hanmer <mhanmer at umd.edu>; Election Law <
> law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Fwd: Where can college students vote this November?
>
>
>
> “ residence” and “permanent domicile” are of course a matter of state law
> for these purposes. However, my understanding is that many states
> incorporate the concept of intent— the voter is currently living elsewhere
> but had established residency in the state and intends to return , even if
> they have no current abode in the state. This applies to members of the
> military, for instance.
>
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> Subject: [EL] Fwd: Where can college students vote this November?
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> Looks like I sent only to Charles.
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> From: "Michael J. Hanmer" <mhanmer at umd.edu>
> Date: April 19, 2020 at 10:23:23 AM EDT
> To: Charles H Stewart <cstewart at mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [EL] Where can college students vote this November?
>
> 
> Dick Niemi, Tom Jackson, and I have a 2009 ELJ piece that covers the
> issue of college student voting. Tom is a legal scholar and led the
> sections involving legal analysis.
>
> Here are my thoughts, some of which I am not very sure of. I agree with
> Charles that the legal scholars should weigh in.
>
> Students who haven’t yet established residence in the college town can’t
> register in the college town, just as anyone planning a move that hasn’t
> happened yet can’t register in the new place ahead of arriving at the new
> place. For unregistered students who have lived in the college town but
> don’t have an active lease, it would seem they too can’t register in the
> college town until they start living there.
>
> I think things get tricky for students who are registered in their college
> town if they have leases that expire. If they establish a new residence
> they can register there and get an absentee ballot under the usual rules.
> If they don’t establish another residence in the college town I am not sure
> what happens. If they want to vote in their college town by absentee ballot
> they should be able to get a ballot with the presidential race. I could see
> local discretion influencing whether they get a full ballot.
>
> The question on the Census is interesting too. I saw the same guidance
> Charles noted from citizen groups. The online Census form also had
> instructions to that effect.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Charles H Stewart <cstewart at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> 
> This question has come to me, and seems to present an interesting twist
> that requires an answer from a legal scholar, not a political scientist…
>
> Let us say that in the upcoming fall semester, a university says that
> their students have to stay “at home” and cannot live on campus. The
> student in question lives out of state. The student in question would
> otherwise have qualified to vote in the state where they were a student.
> Can that student vote absentee in the locality where they are enrolled in
> college?
>
> This seems to be a major twist on the question of where students are
> domiciled for the purposes of elections when they are away from home to go
> to college.
>
> I will note that MIT students received an e-mail from the administration
> saying that for the purposes of the Census, they will be counted as living
> at MIT, even though the campus had evacuated. I know that this has
> little-to-no bearing on the question about domicile for voting, but it is
> an example of how one legal fiction has ignored campus evacuations.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Charles
>
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