[EL] "Overtime count"

[Justin Riemer]

The truth is these delays are all from policies pushed by Democrats and the
party's lawyers. The push for ranked choice voting, election day
registration, and vote-by-mail and challenges to ballot return deadlines,
signature matching, cure periods, etc. are all protracting the time for the
counting of ballots and getting an accurate count. Of course some of the
same policies extend the actual election process forward several weeks as
well. The various articles discussing the phenomenon fail to mention this
point. I think it's actually reasonable for voters to expect a half-way
decent count of the results on election night or the next day and that
should be a valid consideration in assessing the wisdom of these policies.
There are always going to be some issues to resolve in the days after the
election to get final, accurate results but the scale of it is an avoidable
problem.

J Justin Riemer



On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM Pedro Hernandez <pedro at fairvote.org> wrote:

> RCV jurisdictions do release preliminary reports
> <https://sfelections.sfgov.org/june-5-2018-election-results-detailed-reports>,
> with not all votes counted. It’s been common practice in San Francisco
> that RCV tabulations are released each day by 4pm. Here's a link to a press
> release of the reporting schedule:
> https://sfelections.sfgov.org/article/department-elections-announces-results-reporting-schedule-june-5-election
> .
>
>
> I’m a San Francisco voter, and the delay has everything to do with the
> factors in Ned’s piece: generous Vote-By-Mail laws -- about half of SF
> voters drop off their ballots on election day. Verifying, opening, and
> processing those ballots, well, takes time. California also has E+3, where
> ballots postmarked on election day and received by counties on Friday are
> counted.
>
>
> In any close election, regardless of the election system used, finality
> can always be delayed due to overtime counting (ballot counting after
> election day).
>
> Pedro Hernandez
> Pronouns: He/Him/His
> Senior Policy Coordinator, Voting Rights & Ranked Choice Voting
> http://fairvote.org
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:25 PM Kogan, Vladimir <kogan.18 at osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Although Ned didn’t mention this in his piece, the “overtime count” issue
>> will be particularly pronounced for jurisdictions using ranked-choice
>> elections. Under RCV, there is no such thing as a partial count, since the
>> late-return ballots could change which candidates are eliminated and in
>> what order. You have to wait until all of the ballots to figure out who the
>> top-two candidates are, and how many votes are redistributed to each.
>>
>>
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