[EL] Reducing the Risk of an Election Meltdown

[Fredric Woocher]

Not every in-person vote would have to be treated as a provisional ballot.  In California, if you bring your unvoted VBM ballot to the polls and hand it in to the pollworker, then you can vote a regular ballot, for there is sufficient assurance that you did not vote the VBM ballot that was sent to you.

I don’t know how much this would help, however, since presumably those voters who would go to the polls in the present circumstances would do so primarily because they never received or misplaced their mail-in ballots.

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From: Law-election [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Scarberry
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Bill,

In Ohio, how long do you wait to see whether an absentee ballot arrives? Does that cause a substantial delay in counting?

This approach certainly would be difficult to implement if a state sends every registered voter a vote-by-mail ballot. Every in-person vote would have to be treated as provisional, I suppose.

Mark
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Caruso School of Law


Mark S. Scarberry

Professor of Law
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:19 PM James Bopp Jr <jboppjr at aol.com<mailto:jboppjr at aol.com>> wrote:

So in the Ohio example, a voter cannot trump his or her absentee ballot by voting on election day. In that instance, the election board could count absentee ballots before election day, but not in Indiana's case.

But I am not sure the Ohio's policy choice is the best. What is the justification to lock in the absentee ballot rather than the voter's choice on election day?  Jim Bopp

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On Friday, March 20, 2020 Rich,William D <rich at uakron.edu<mailto:rich at uakron.edu>> wrote:

That’s not the way it works, at least in Ohio.  If a voter requests and is sent an absentee ballot and then shows up to vote on election day, the voter is given a provisional ballot.  If the absentee ballot is returned to the board of elections and is valid (countable), the absentee ballot is counted and the provisional election-day ballot is not counted.  If the absentee ballot is not returned or if it is returned but is invalid because of some deficiency (e.g., no signature on absentee ballot affirmation), the provisional election day ballot is counted (if it is valid).



Bill Rich

University of Akron School of Law and

Chairman, Summit County Board of Elections



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As I understand it, most state laws, including those in Indiana, permit a voter to come to the polling place to vote, even if they have sent in an absentee ballot.  So on election night, the first thing the poll workers do is to check the poll book to see if the absentee voter came to the polling place to vote. If so, the absentee ballot is not cast.

If you open and cast the absentee ballot before the election, how do you deal with a voter who wants to come to the polling place to vote?  I assume he or she would have to be prohibited from doing that. My policy preference is that the voter have this option since things might have changed since he or she sent in their absentee ballot and they may want to change their vote based on this additional information.



Is there another option or do you disagree with my policy preference?  Jim Bopp



In a message dated 3/20/2020 3:18:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time, larrylevine at earthlink.net<mailto:larrylevine at earthlink.net> writes:



As you note, some states already permit processing absentee ballots ahead of election day. There is not good reason why every state should not do that. That would lessen but not eliminate the issue of late and delayed results.
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