[EL] The timetable of reporting results on or after Election Day

Thu Sep 3 16:44:49 PDT 2020

One minor amendment to my good friend’s post: I believe counties are allowed to process and scan, but not total or tabulate.

I try not to use the word “count” in these instances since that implies tabulation to some observers. 

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> On Sep 3, 2020, at 2:30 PM, David Lublin <dlublin at american.edu> wrote:
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> We're very new to massive numbers of mail ballots in Maryland. 
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> Maryland is allowing county boards of elections to count them as they're received, and I believe this includes ballots in dropboxes. I suspect these will get far more use than in the primary because there will be far more of them and the new concerns regarding USPS.
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> Once the polls closed on primary night, this allowed the release of a significant number of results. Primary night went weirdly, however, as some counties released their results just after 8pm but then pulled them off their websites for several hours because some polling places were allowed to remain open late. People were very frustrated as no information as to why this had occurred was given for until a couple of hours had passed.
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> For the general election, counting will go on for some time past 11/3. Maryland will allow any ballot that is postmarked by Election Day and received by November 13th to be counted. While most are received before then, there are still many ballots to be counted after Election Day and we have to wait until the 13th at the earliest to finalize the count.
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> On the other hand, neither Maryland's electoral votes nor any of its U.S. House seats are expected to be even remotely competitive.
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> Best regards,
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Paul Gronke <paul.gronke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I’m leery of generalizing from the California example because California has traditionally allowed absentee ballots to be dropped at polling places.
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>> As far as I understand the California work flow, the absentee ballots that were delivered to local precinct poling places are placed in a special bag (often called the “red bag”) and these bags / ballots are not even opened until Election Night, and in some counties, not until the next morning.
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>> That contrasts with other jurisdictions where those ballots are placed into drop boxes which are emptied on a very regular basis leading up to and including Election Day. 
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>> Just to give another example from Oregon, which is also not a great example because we’ve been voting by mail for two decades, and the voters and the LEOs have all adapted their processes to account for this. We typically see about a quarter of all of our ballots come in during the last two days, and 15-20% on Election day (https://sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/Ballot-Return.pdf). 
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>> And for states like NC, much will also depend on the ability to get temporary staff in place to process the ballots and put in place the administrative procedures to move the ballots through on the last few days. 
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>> Larry is right that there will be a substantial number of ballots that have not yet been processed at the close of polls on Election Day.  I just am not sure its going to be the same magnitude as we’ve traditionally seen in California. 
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>> ---
>> Paul Gronke
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>>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, larrylevine at earthlink.net wrote:
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>>> Given what we know about absentee ballot voting patterns and human nature, it is unlikely any elections office will be able to process the number of ballots arriving the day before the election in time to be part of the Tuesday night total. Some 20 years’ worth of tracking in California shows 84% of the absentee ballots arrive at elections offices in the last 12 days, including what gets turned in at the polls. The flow increases day-by-day. The Monday arrivals will include what the post office didn’t deliver Sunday, plus the regular Monday mail and probably a residue from Friday and Saturday. Elections offices are under great stress the day before the election in preparing for the actual day. North Carolina’s good intentions are likely to run into a different reality. But it won’t be any different any place else. It will be up to the media reporting on election night to keep reinforcing the information about the need to count all late arriving absentee ballots and provisional ballots after election night and that the election night reports are by no means complete. Even then, there will be certain interests intent upon fomenting doubt and confusion.
>>> Larry
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>>> From: Law-election <law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu> On Behalf Of Samuel S. Wang
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 12:20 PM
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>>> Subject: [EL] The timetable of reporting results on or after Election Day
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>>> Dear Election Law List,
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>>> The timetable of reporting results on Election Night may lead to substantial public unrest. In a recent NBC/WSJ survey, in-person voters break heavily toward Trump, while mail voters break heavily toward Biden. 
>>>  
>>> What do we know about the planned timetables of reporting results in all the states?  This timetable may dramatically affect what the public sees on Election Night. If one candidate is ahead on Election Night, and the other pulls ahead in the days following, major protests might ensue.
>>>  
>>> For example, my understanding in North Carolina is that if a mail-in ballot arrives in the local elections office by 5:00 pm on Monday, November 2, the day before Election Day, it goes through the board approval process and through the tabulator, and will count in the unofficial election results released on November 3, Election Day. That approach could reduce any massive swings in the vote count.
>>>  
>>> Another solution would be to advocate for a deliberate and unhurried report of final or near-final totals. For example, in the April primary and state judicial elections, Wisconsin officials did not release results until something like a week after the election. That strikes me as a sensible and de-escalating move.
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