Subject: election-law_gl-digest V1 #43
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Date: 7/15/2001, 6:00 PM
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election-law_gl-digest      Sunday, July 15 2001      Volume 01 : Number 043




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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:24:13 -0700
From: "Volokh, Eugene" <VOLOKH@mail.law.ucla.edu>
Subject: FW: How Bush Took Florida: Mining the Overseas Absentee Vote

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	Just to clarify the possible unintentional ambiguity caused by the
headline:  According to the Times, the absentee votes weren't "How Bush
Took Florida" in the sense of being a but-for cause of Bush taking Florida
--

              Times asked Gary King, a Harvard expert on voting patterns
and statistical
              models, what would have happened had the flawed ballots been
discarded. He
              concluded that there was no way to declare a winner with
mathematical certainty
              under those circumstances. His best estimate, he said, was
that Mr. Bush's margin
              would have been reduced to 245 votes. Dr. King estimated
that there was only a
              slight chance that discarding the questionable ballots would
have made Mr. Gore the
              winner.

	Eugene

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From:	Rick Hasen [SMTP:Rick.Hasen@lls.edu]
Sent:	Saturday, July 14, 2001 2:50 PM
To:	election-law@majordomo.lls.edu
Subject:	How Bush Took Florida: Mining the Overseas Absentee Vote


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/national/15BALL.html
--
Rick Hasen
Professor of Law and William M. Rains Fellow
Loyola Law School
919 South Albany Street
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(213)736-1466 - voice
(213)380-3769 - fax
rick.hasen@lls.edu
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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
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but-for cause of Bush taking Florida --</FONT></P>

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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
FACE=3D"Arial">Eugene</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Rick Hasen [SMTP:Rick.Hasen@lls.edu]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Saturday, July 14, 2001 2:50 PM</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
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FACE=3D"Arial">election-law@majordomo.lls.edu</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>=
</B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">How Bush Took Florida: Mining the =
Overseas Absentee Vote</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Rick Hasen</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loyola Law School</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">919 South Albany Street</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Los Angeles, CA&nbsp; =
90015-1211</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(213)736-1466 - voice</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(213)380-3769 - fax</FONT>
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