Subject: Re: Dum-das and Dum-dums
From: "Jim Knox" <jknox@quiknet.com>
Date: 11/13/2002, 6:00 PM
To: "Lowenstein, Daniel" <lowenste@mail.law.ucla.edu>, election-law@majordomo.lls.edu, "Larry Levine" <larrylevine@earthlink.net>

The referendum which successfully repealed the peripheral canal in 
early 1980s was the last, I believe.  (And I, along with my Latin 
teacher, side with Craig on "referenda".)

Jim Knox
California Common Cause

From:           	"Larry Levine" <larrylevine@earthlink.net>
To:             	"Lowenstein, Daniel" <lowenste@mail.law.ucla.edu>,
  	<election-law@majordomo.lls.edu>
Subject:        	Re: Dum-das and Dum-dums
Date sent:      	Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:55:26 -0800

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MessageThe terms - initiative and referendum - often are confused by =
folks outside of California, or by reporters. Has there ever been a =
statewide referendum in California?=20
Larry
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Lowenstein, Daniel=20
  To: 'election-law@majordomo.lls.edu'=20
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:12 PM
  Subject: Dum-das and Dum-dums


      My recollection (which could easily be wrong) is that the 1988 =
insurance initiative was still being circulated when the court ruled.  =
In that case, it was not, strictly speaking pulled off the ballot.

      In any event, that initiative and the 2000 redistricting =
initiative were found to violate the single-subject rule, and the =
California Constitution seems specifically to contemplate pre-election =
review under that rule.  The 1983 redistricting initiative had a lot of =
particular circumstances justifying pre-election review, including the =
fact that the governor had called a costly special election, the need =
for which was obviated by the court's action.  I do not recall the =
circumstances of the 1984 balanced budget initiative.  In any event, =
pre-election review on substantive constitutional issues is a pretty =
unusual exception, and I can see no reason why it would occur in the =
case of the proposed initiative on primaries.

      As for the plural of "referendum," Craig is entitled to his =
preference, but unless he thinks he knows better than the editors of the =
Oxford English Dictionary, his preference happens to be contrary to the =
norms of the English language (and, in this case, its Latin roots).  =
Anyway, referendums--as opposed to initiatives--are pretty rare in =
California.


              Best,=20

              Daniel Lowenstein=20
              UCLA Law School=20
              405 Hilgard=20
              Los Angeles, California 90095-1476=20
              310-825-5148=20

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Holman@aol.com [mailto:Holman@aol.com]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:13 PM
  To:   =20
   Subject: Pre-election review of initiatives


  Adding a little historical perspective to Woocher's assessment that =
pre-election review of initiatives is uncommon in California:

  Though it is difficult to monitor pre-election challenegs to =
initiatives over time, I have found only seven statewide initiatives and =
referenda (Dan, I prefer the term referenda over referendums) that have =
been subject to pre-election judicial review (Fred Woocher believes =
there may be more). Of these, four initiatives have been removed from =
the ballot: a 1983 reapportionment initiative (Sebastiani); and 1984 =
federal balanced budget amendment initiative (which was left on the =
ballot as Proposition 35 but the winning results ignored); a 1988 =
no-fault insurance initiative (a 12,000 word tome, that the insurance =
industry immediately re-wrote to satisfy the court's objections and =
requalified for the ballot as Proposition 104 in a record 48 days with a =
$2 million direct mail petition circulation drive); and a 2000 =
reapportionment/legislative salary cut initiative (which Fred reminded =
me about).



  Craig Holman, Ph.D.
  Public Citizen
  215 Pennsylvania Ave., SE
  Washington, D.C. 20003
  TEL: 202-454-5182
  FAX: 202-546-2658
  Holman@aol.com=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The terms - initiative and referendum - =
often are=20
confused by folks outside of California, or by reporters. Has there ever =
been a=20
statewide referendum in California? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dlowenste@mail.law.ucla.edu=20
  href=3D"mailto:lowenste@mail.law.ucla.edu">Lowenstein, Daniel</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Delection-law@majordomo.lls.edu=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:'election-law@majordomo.lls.edu'">'election-law@majordomo.=
lls.edu'</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 13, =
2002 4:12=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Dum-das and =
Dum-dums</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
  class=3D389120600-14112002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My recollection (which =
could=20
  easily be wrong) is that the 1988 insurance initiative was still being =

  circulated when the court ruled.&nbsp; In that case, it was not, =
strictly=20
  speaking pulled off the ballot.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
  class=3D389120600-14112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
  class=3D389120600-14112002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In any event, that =
initiative and=20
  the 2000 redistricting initiative were found to violate the =
single-subject=20
  rule, and the California Constitution seems specifically to =
contemplate=20
  pre-election review under that rule.&nbsp; The 1983 redistricting =
initiative=20
  had a lot of particular circumstances justifying pre-election review,=20
  including the fact that the governor had called a costly special =
election, the=20
  need for which was obviated by the court's action.&nbsp; I do not =
recall the=20
  circumstances of the 1984 balanced budget initiative.&nbsp; In any =
event,=20
  pre-election review on substantive constitutional issues is a pretty =
unusual=20
  exception, and I can see no reason why it would occur in the case of =
the=20
  proposed initiative on primaries.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
  class=3D389120600-14112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
  class=3D389120600-14112002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for the plural of =
"referendum,"=20
  Craig is entitled to his preference, but unless he thinks he knows =
better than=20
  the editors of the Oxford English Dictionary, his preference happens =
to be=20
  contrary to the norms of the English language (and, in this case, its =
Latin=20
  roots).&nbsp; Anyway, referendums--as opposed to initiatives--are =
pretty rare=20
  in California.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <P><SPAN=20
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Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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  </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Best,</SPAN> <SPAN=20
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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  Daniel Lowenstein</SPAN> <BR><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=20
  UCLA Law School</SPAN> <BR><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=20
  405 Hilgard</SPAN> <BR><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=20
  Los Angeles, California 90095-1476</SPAN> <BR><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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  310-825-5148</SPAN> </P>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Holman@aol.com=20
  [mailto:Holman@aol.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 13, 2002 =
3:13=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B>&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D389120600-14112002><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D3>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D389120600-14112002>&nbsp;</SPAN><B>Subject:</B>=20
  Pre-election review of initiatives<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Adding=20
  a little historical perspective to Woocher's assessment that =
pre-election=20
  review of initiatives is uncommon in California:<BR><BR>Though it is =
difficult=20
  to monitor pre-election challenegs to initiatives over time, I have =
found only=20
  seven statewide initiatives and referenda (Dan, I prefer the term =
referenda=20
  over referendums) that have been subject to pre-election judicial =
review (Fred=20
  Woocher believes there may be more). Of these, four initiatives have =
been=20
  removed from the ballot: a 1983 reapportionment initiative =
(Sebastiani); and=20
  1984 federal balanced budget amendment initiative (which was left on =
the=20
  ballot as Proposition 35 but the winning results ignored); a 1988 =
no-fault=20
  insurance initiative (a 12,000 word tome, that the insurance industry=20
  immediately re-wrote to satisfy the court's objections and requalified =
for the=20
  ballot as Proposition 104 in a record 48 days with a $2 million direct =
mail=20
  petition circulation drive); and a 2000 reapportionment/legislative =
salary cut=20
  initiative (which Fred reminded me about).<BR><BR><BR><BR>Craig =
Holman,=20
  Ph.D.<BR>Public Citizen<BR>215 Pennsylvania Ave., SE<BR>Washington, =
D.C.=20
  20003<BR>TEL: 202-454-5182<BR>FAX: =
202-546-2658<BR>Holman@aol.com</FONT>=20
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Jim Knox, Executive Director
California Common Cause
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