Subject: RE: Re: Utah congressional legislation
From: "Even, Jeff \(ATG\)" <JeffE@atg.wa.gov>
Date: 11/21/2005, 2:14 PM
To: election-law@majordomo.lls.edu

For what it's worth, you might look at a state case, Snyder v. Munro,
721 P.2d 962 (Wash. 1986), which considered a similar question.  The
court found no violation where most legislative districts elected two
representatives, but a couple districts were divided and elected one
each.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-election-law_gl@majordomo.lls.edu
[mailto:owner-election-law_gl@majordomo.lls.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Fabius
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:35 AM
To: election-law@majordomo.lls.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Utah congressional legislation


  All of the congressional one-person, one-vote cases that i've read
have been limited to state delegations to Congress.  Would there be any
merit to an argument that the at-large Utah district would violate
one-person, one vote relative to other state delegations because each
Utah voter would have two people in the House directly representing them
while the rest of the country only has one person in the House?
  I suppose that this is a novel question but Utah voters would quite
literally cast two votes for candidates running for the House while the
rest of the country would be casting a single vote.  However, the
principle of absolute population equality expressed in Karcher and
required in the lower court decisions in Vieth has to be impossible
insofar as different state delegations are concerned.

Thanks,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moon <dmoon@fairvote.org>
To: djohnson@NDCresearch.com
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:00:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Utah congressional legislation

That's what my argument would be too, and I think this is confirmed by a

CRS memo done on the proposal to give DC a voting rep. by giving Utah a 
temporary additional at-large rep. The later problem would obviously be 
a potential VRA problem and dilution of minority voting strength with 
regard to ability to elect the at-large seat, but since Utah is not 
diverse, not a likely problem there.

Also, the 1967 congressional statute mandating single-member districts 
exists, and I'm not sure how that would be interpreted in light of a 
SINGLE, single-member, at-large district.....

-- David Moon Program Director F a i r V o t e The Center for Voting and Democracy 6930 Carroll Avenue, Suite 610 Takoma Park, MD 20912 Phone: (301) 270-4616 Fax: (301) 270-4133 Email: dmoon@fairvote.org Website: www.fairvote.org Douglas Johnson wrote:
I haven't looked at it in detail, but at a glance here's the reasoning
(playing devil's advocate, as I don't have a position for or against
this idea):

The 'one person, one vote' rule of Baker v Carr and its successors aims
to ensure that each person has equal power to influence the selection
of
his/her representative in Congress.

Under this Utah scenario each Utah person has equal representation 'by
district,' and equal influence/representation with the 'at large'
representative. It doesn't matter (by this theory) that the 'by
district' Members and the 'at large' Member have different sized
districts, because every person has an equal influence with one 'by
district' Member and equal influence with the 'at large' Member.

Where this would run into trouble (under this theory) is if some people
were only represented by the 'at large' Member, but that's not the
case.

- Doug

Douglas Johnson
Fellow
Rose Institute of State and Local Government
doug@talksoftly.com
310-200-2058



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-election-law_gl@majordomo.lls.edu
[mailto:owner-election-law_gl@majordomo.lls.edu] On Behalf Of J.M. Wice
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:53 AM
To: Rick Hasen; owner-election-law_gl@majordomo.lls.edu; election-law
Subject: Utah congressional legislation


Has anybody analyzed or written anything on the proposal to create an
at-large congressional district for Utah. I've been asked by several
Utah officials how this wouldn't violate population deviation
standards.

Jeff Wice
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.
 






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