Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act
From: "Smith, Brad" <BSmith@law.capital.edu>
Date: 9/24/2010, 1:46 PM
To: Joseph Birkenstock
CC: "election-law@mailman.lls.edu" <election-law@mailman.lls.edu>

Fair enough Joe, but sauce for the goose – don’t accuse me of wanting no rules or suggesting there are no alternatives to DISCLOSE.

 

Bradley A. Smith

Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault  

Designated Professor of Law

 

Capital University Law School

303 East Broad Street

Columbus, OH  43215-3200

614.236.6317

bsmith@law.capital.edu

http://www.law.capital.edu/faculty/bios/bsmith.asp

 


From: Joseph Birkenstock [mailto:JMB@Capdale.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:30 PM
To: Smith, Brad
Cc: election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

 

Well, speaking of "ignoring" things, I said I worry about chilling effects and I meant it. I also said I thought raising disclosure thresholds was a good way to impose these burdens where they most belong (and omit them from where they don't belong) and I meant that too. I don't need or expect brad to be convinced by these points but I and my tired thumbs would appreciate it if they weren't ignored. 

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On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:07 PM, "Smith, Brad" <BSmith@law.capital.edu> wrote:

Joe apparently thinks that “headaches” are costless, which leaves us wondering about sales of aspirin, Tylenol, and ibuprofen.

 

I don’t see my argument as a “slippery slope” at all.  It is a routine cost/benefit analysis, in which I note that Joe has done little to demonstrate the benefits, and entirely ignored the costs.  I also note that one of those costs will be the difficulty of serious enforcement; i.e. either lots of people will “break the speed limit,” or the costs of enforcement will become enormous.  My painkiller quip aside, I also don’t see these costs as mere headaches, but serious invasions of privacy, threats to liberty, opportunities for corruption by officeholders, and squelching of free speech. Nor did I suggest the area should be ruleless – as Joe knows, I support disclosure laws, essentially requiring that, like other public policies, they be submitted to some kind of cost/benefit analysis.  The ideology of reform has always rejected the idea of costs of benefits, and this seems no exception. 

 

Bradley A. Smith

Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault  

Designated Professor of Law

 

Capital University Law School

303 East Broad Street

Columbus, OH  43215-3200

614.236.6317

bsmith@law.capital.edu

http://www.law.capital.edu/faculty/bios/bsmith.asp

 


From: Joseph Birkenstock [mailto:JMB@Capdale.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:51 PM
To: Smith, Brad
Cc: election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

 

Brad's and Sean's responses boil down (after a LONG boil...) to two observations I will address in turn: first, that disclosure is a slippery slope. Why not cap, nyt, abc, xyz and everyone else, asks Sean, if AJS?  And what a headache!!, observes Brad. What if A gives to B gives to C gives to I don't know... (Third base!!!)




My response to this is, in short, get over it. 65 miles an hour is legal but 66 isn't, working people pay FICA on their first $106k of income which leaves rich folks (like me!) off the hook for anything beyond. Law is rarely not an exercise in addressing complaints over slippery slopes, though the objections are often more convincing than those offered here. One of prof volokh's excellent law review articles (as I recall it) interprets the slippery slope objection as "let us not make a sound decision today, so that we won't need to make a sound distinction tomorrow."  If ies and ecs are the wrong standards to use to trigger disclosure, I'd love to hear suggested alternatives, but I wont find "none" very satisfying BECAUSE:




Second, Sean in particular observes, we can incentivize junior accounting staffers to police quids pro quo, and since the rest isn't bribery we needn't care. The first part of that is the hardest for me to appreciate precisely because it's so unconservative. One of the most appealing aspects of conservatism in my view (yes, you read that right) is its distrust of human nature.  I have no idea how that junior accounting staffer would even anything about my private meeting with the future speaker, nor why the speaker and I would "agree" to anything specific. But either way doesn't my private fyi leave that future speaker in an excruciatingly compromised position?  10,000 grp is a lot, and I know if I were that officeholder, I'd be sorely tempted to just wait until a month or two into the new congress and then quietly suggest that among the dozens of bills we'll be whippin this month will be a narrow technical amendment cutting sandal import duties are among this months priorities. 




No crime there, as far as I can see, but it's hardly honest government is it?  I worry about chilling effects, too, so if people want higher & indexed itemization thresholds I'm all for it - but to the extent the upshot of Brad's "headache" argument is to leave this area ruleless because a. Rules are hard, and b. No "beholdenness" that isn't already criminal is worth the squeeze, count me out. The framers took distrust of human nature seriously, and wisely, because to expect elected officials not to use the power of their public office to advance their narrow self interest, especially behind closed doors, is a recipe for disaster. 




And with that, my thumbs surrender for the day...  Thanks again to Sean and Brad for indulging the discussion!!




Best,

Joe


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On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:53 PM, "Smith, Brad" <BSmith@law.capital.edu> wrote:

Joe does not make the argument that many have made here and elsewhere, to wit that somehow it is not enough to know that a group was started, for example, by well-known Democratic Party activists and is funded by unions and at least one well-known liberal billionaire, but we need to know the identities of all the funders, or at least all the major funders, to properly evaluate the message.

 

Rather, Joe suggests if we do not penetrate deeply into the disclosure – if we do not know who gave to the National Association of Widget Makers, which gave to the State Association of Widget Makers, which gave to Citizens for a Healthy Economy, which ran ads supporting Republican X, well know for his pro-business views – then it opens up opportunities for corruption.  This is because American Widgets, which gave to NAWM which gave to SAWM which gave to CHE will let X know about his giving.  X will then be subject to possible corrupt pressure or conflict of interest, and the citizenry will be none the wiser.  Better to get it all above board.

 

I see several problems with the argument, the first of which is essentially portrayed above and outlined a few days ago by Jim Bopp.  If you require disclosure not only of the spender, and not only of those who have earmarked funds to the spender for its political spending, but of all (major) donors, one does not solve the problem Joe wishes to solve, unless one is prepared to keep peeling the onion.  But doing so brings with it other costs I shall shortly address.  First, I want to note that the example I gave above is neither far-fetched nor nefarious – it is exactly how interests organize to further their political objectives.  American Widgets gives to NAWM to look after its political and professional interests generally; NAWM gives to SAWM because SAWM is closer to events at the state level, and also, by matching SAWM funds, to see that its money goes to areas where local members seem to think it is worth spending; SAWM gives the money to CHE either because it wants to avoid any appearance of coordinating its activities, as it lobbies in the state and so meets frequently with public officials, both state and federal, or because it simply lacks the expertise CHE has in electoral politics, or because it believes its funds will be spent more effectively as part of a broad coalition, or because, in some states, a separate organization is required (or at least was pre-Citizens United.)  But if a donor – corporate, union, or individual – wants to keep its involvement secret, it can simply donate through a series of non-earmarked contributions.  Obviously, attempting to expose those “wink and nod” earmarks that Justice Breyer, with all his business experience, thinks are so commonplace, one is going to catch up a lot of perfectly harmless activity.  Why does that matter?  Because the added regulatory burdens will reduce the amount of speech, and because they provide opportunities for another form of electoral corruption, the use of the law to file complaints against the opposing side’s speech, with less concern for the ultimate finding than for the short term press.  We all know that that occurs.

 

Beyond creating a web of regulation that stifles speech and provides opportunities for litigation and complaint-making as part of the campaign arsenal, this approach also ignores the fact that many times there is a valid reason for anonymity.  This is why, we should note, the general rule in First Amendment law favors anonymity.  It’s not just NAACP v. Alabama, its also McIntyre, Talley, Thomas v. Collins, and Watchtower Bible & Tract v. Village of Stratton.  Oddly enough, it is in the realm of political speech, that core First Amendment speech, where the Court has done the least to uphold privacy rights.  Those reasons for anonymity include official retaliation by government officials and unofficial retaliation, including boycotts (while one certainly has a right to organize boycotts, it’s hard to see the state interest in facilitating the practice), harassment, and ultimately physical harm.  Many supporters of excessive disclosure keep acting as if these harms do not exist, but of course they do, and would not be tolerated in almost any other context than that of trying to discourage corporate speakers they don’t like.  But they also include simpler but still legitimate reasons, such a simple desire not to be bombarded with more monetary requests.  As most major donors, corporate or individual, know, once you’ve given to one group, more requests will be coming, and the number expands exponentially, soaking up time and energy and just being a bother.  Some people truly don’t like publicity at all, and we normally respect that privacy without demanding that they give up their constitutional rights (for example, by registering their religious beliefs or support for a church with the government). 

 

For all that, Joe is still worried that there may be too much room for corruption, but if the whole world could see the donations, this would not be so.  This seems dubious. For one thing, huge expenditures have long been made in the full light of day.  As Sean Parnell pointed out, there is little evidence that the flow of money here dictates behavior, but rather, it appears that behavior dictates the flow of  money.  (Note that Joe is not trying to stop transactions covered by traditional bribery statutes, as those will not be disclosed in any case).  For another, it is my observation that generally it is very poor coinage for a lobbyist to make threats to withhold contributions or expenditures, or make them on behalf of another, or to hold out the lure of them.  This is not to say it doesn’t happen, but for the most part, it doesn’t. As even former Senator Harrison Wofford (who would almost certainly support all this added disclosure) once told me, “I have no idea who contributes to my campaigns.”  In other words, cultural norms, pride, propriety, and manners may all keep the role of donors and spenders relatively removed from decision making.  However, because they certainly will not always do so, Joe seeks to simply do away them.  Never again will the lobbyist have to point out his association’s involvement – the law will take care of that for him.

 

Moreover, Joe’s hypotheticals, involving various degrees of (in my mind, remarkably unrealistic) threats made by interests to officeholders, overlook the fact that in the end, elections are won with votes.  For years politicians used to brag – brag – about “bringing home the bacon.” In other words, “re-elect me, I cater to special interests that benefit you.”  Was this corruption?  Now, in the current environment, almost no members are bragging about “bringing home the bacon.”  Voters can see through it.  They demand, instead, pledges not to bring home the bacon.  It is, in the end, very hard to argue that voters are not making passable judgments in the people they send to office.  This is not to say they don’t make mistakes, don’t change their minds, or are not fickle and sometimes woefully uninformed. But how many elected politicians can you name who are able to get and keep office while being out of step with their constituency?  It just doesn’t really happen.

 

In short, during a time in which there is more legally mandated disclosure of political spending and Americans’ political activity than at any time in our history, some people demand still more.  They want to know the names of members of groups; of donors to groups who donate to groups who spend money on politics.  They want to know who is talking to whom about politics.  This attack on privacy is made in seeming oblivion to the real costs involved, which are never recognized, and on the basis of the thinnest evidence that the problem is common or substantial.

 

A friend of mine, discussing a different issue, raised a point the other day: the East German government and the Soviets erected the Berlin Wall.  It was an 11’ 8” structure, topped with barbed wire.  A no-man’s land ran along side called the “death strip,” including anti-vehicle protections.  Guards were spaced along the wall with orders to shoot to kill.  Yet still people crossed the Berlin Wall successfully.  The endless demands for more disclosure and more regulation because there remains some possibility of some variation of corruption occurs some time by some one reminds me a bit of building the Berlin Wall.  There is no barrier that will prevent some people from getting to the other side.  There is an ideology in the campaign finance “reform” community that seems unwilling to accept that fact.

 

Bradley A. Smith

Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault  

Designated Professor of Law

 

Capital University Law School

303 East Broad Street

Columbus, OH  43215-3200

614.236.6317

bsmith@law.capital.edu

http://www.law.capital.edu/faculty/bios/bsmith.asp

 


From: Joseph Birkenstock [mailto:JMB@Capdale.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:44 PM
To: Smith, Brad
Cc: election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

 

Nope - against corrupt government.  Either keep this kind of funding (& the relationships it creates) truly opaque to everyone, including elected officials, or let everyone know & make whatever judgments they like.  I much prefer the latter. 

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On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:21 PM, "Smith, Brad" <BSmith@law.capital.edu> wrote:

You are making an argument... against(?) disclosure?

 

Bradley A. Smith

Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault Designated Professor of Law

Capital University Law School

303 E. Broad St.

Columbus, OH 43215

(614) 236-6317

 


From: election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu on behalf of Joseph Birkenstock
Sent: Fri 9/24/2010 12:41 PM
To: Sean Parnell; 'Trevor Potter'; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

At the risk of thread-jacking this discussion (and with apologies if I am!), I wonder if it might be productive to bring this back to some questions I posed the other day, which Rick very kindly elevated to a guest post on his blog but which I was disappointed to see draw no response here on the list.

 

Sean: it would obviously be unfair to ask whether you think Congressman Boehner or Senator McConnell or any other Republican electeds know who funds Americans for Job Security (who among us could pretend to know the mind of John Boehner...), so let me set that question aside and ask this one: would you find it troubling in any way if they did know?

 

 

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From: Sean Parnell
Sent: Fri 9/24/2010 11:18 AM
To: 'Trevor Potter'; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

Really?

 

First, it does not provide for the disclosure of lists of all donor's whose contributions are used for election advertising, but only those of over $600 per year. There was much criticism from Republicans that this figure was too high, and would result in the exempting from disclosure the names of almost all members of membership organizations (think unions), but that only proves the point that only major donors (not lists of all members) would be required to be disclosed.

 

You might note that I said “substantial portions of” membership lists, not “all” donors. And for trade and professional associations, as well as at least a handful of teacher unions, many do have membership dues in excess of $600. And I’m not terribly interested in what the Republicans criticized – they have their perspective and interests, and CCP has ours. Those interests converge and diverge often. In this case, I don’t think I’d agree that $600 constitutes a “major donor.”

 

Second, an organization may avoid disclosing the remaining major donors to its non-election efforts ( activist training, pregnancy counseling, lobbying etc) by establishing an account for election activity, and only disclosing the major donors to that account.

 

Yes, an organization that does not wish to avail themselves of the First Amendment rights recognized under Citizens United to spend money out of their general treasury, and instead submit to the regulatory structure imposed by DISCLOSE, can shield from disclosure donors and members to their general fund. But DISCLOSE forces them to chose – exercise their Citizens United rights and spend from their general treasuries, or exercise their NAACP v. Alabama rights, and protect the privacy of their members. Can’t do both, which would seem to raise substantial constitutional issues, no?

 

Finally, DISCLOSE provides that ANY donor to an organization has the personal right to restrict a donation to non-political use--and that the identity of donors of contributions taken with such restrictions are not required to be disclosed.

 

Sure, and as people who both head organizations you and I both understand that unsolicited contributions do come in, and contributors are usually not exactly well versed in campaign finance law (although donors to our respective organizations are probably, by definition, a little more up on the subject than most). DISCLOSE requires that the donor know at the time the donation is made that they must also specify that their donation is not to be used for political use. Meaning you’ll have lots of people making unrestricted gifts to groups without knowing what hoops they must jump through to avoid being disclosed.

 

Also, it again forces organizations and members/donors to decide which set of constitutional rights they will exercise – free speech, or associational privacy? Problematic.

 

Is this closer to Citizens United than NAACP? I know which way I'd bet...

 

For the parts of the DISCLOSE Act that address disclosure of contributions made for the purpose of independent expenditures, I’d bet the same way as you. For those parts that require disclosure of donors and members to the general treasury of organizations for which political spending is a small portion of what they do, it’s far less obvious that the Supreme Court would sign off on it. And let’s not even get started on the disclaimer provisions that would require people to stand in front of a camera and say they approve an ad that they may have little knowledge of or interest in, or may even oppose.

 

Sean Parnell

President

Center for Competitive Politics

http://www.campaignfreedom.org

http://www.twitter.com/seanparnellccp

124 S. West Street, #201

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From: Trevor Potter [mailto:TP@Capdale.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:57 AM
To: Sean Parnell; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: RE: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

 

Ah, but DISCLOSE as currently drafted does NOT do what Sean claims.

 

First, it does not provide for the disclosure of lists of all donor's whose contributions are used for election advertising, but only those of over $600 per year. There was much criticism from Republicans that this figure was too high, and would result in the exempting from disclosure the names of almost all members of membership organizations (think unions), but that only proves the point that only major donors (not lists of all members) would be required to be disclosed.

 

Second, an organization may avoid disclosing the remaining major donors to its non-election efforts ( activist training, pregnancy counseling, lobbying etc) by establishing an account for election activity, and only disclosing the major donors to that account.

 

Finally, DISCLOSE provides that ANY donor to an organization has the personal right to restrict a donation to non-political use--and that the identity of donors of contributions taken with such restrictions are not required to be disclosed.

 

Is this closer to Citizens United than NAACP? I know which way I'd bet...

 

Trevor Potter

 


From: Sean Parnell [mailto:sparnell@campaignfreedom.org]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:46 AM
To: Trevor Potter; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: RE: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

Ah, but DISCLOSE  does not just reveal “the sources of funding of political advertising,” it reveals the general membership and donor lists (or at least substantial portions of it) for groups for whom political advertising is a small part of what they do. Meaning, in addition to revealing “the sources of funding of political advertising” DISCLOSE is also revealing the sources of funding for, say, grassroots activist training (groups like Americans for Prosperity), unplanned pregnancy counseling (Planned Parenthood and/or National Right to Life, depending on how one looks at the subject), lobbying (practically everyone), collective bargaining (for those few unions, mostly teacher unions that I’m aware of, that have dues in excess of $600), and the many and varied other activities that nonprofits engage in.

 

Will the Supreme Court uphold such far reaching disclosure of funding that is not intended for or used for political advertising? I’d call it an open question – yes, they signaled their general approval of disclosure in Citizens United, but NAACP v. Alabama also establishes that there are limits to disclosure. It is not nearly as simple and straightforward as you seem to think, particularly when the subject is funds that are not solicited, intended, or used for political advertising – which, for a 501(c)4 would by definition be the majority of funds.

 

 

 

Sean Parnell

President

Center for Competitive Politics

http://www.campaignfreedom.org

http://www.twitter.com/seanparnellccp

124 S. West Street, #201

Alexandria, VA  22310

(703) 894-6800 phone

(703) 894-6813 direct

(703) 894-6811 fax

 

From: Trevor Potter [mailto:TP@Capdale.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:24 PM
To: Sean Parnell; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: RE: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

 

The Supreme Court in Citizens United has already drawn that line, very broadly including on the disclosure side of it "the sources of funding of political advertising" so that "voters are fully informed about the person or group who is speaking" and the identity of corporations spending funds on election speech so that shareholders may hold them accountable. Here is my summary ( from my Congressional testimony) of that portion of the majority's Opinion, supported by 8 Justices:

 

Trevor Potter

 

In Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion in Citizens United v Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. ---- (2010) he made two things very clear: First, it is generally constitutional to require disclosure of the sources of funding for spending in federal elections, whether or not that spending “expressly advocates” the election or defeat of a federal candidate.  Second, he and seven other Justices were clear that they thought such disclosure was entirely appropriate and useful in a democracy.

 Justice Kennedy stated that disclosure of the sources of funding of political advertising “provide[s] the electorate with with information" and "insure[s] that voters are fully informed about the person or group who is speaking  ” Citizens United at 52-53, citing McConnell v FEC, 540 U.S. 93, 196 (2005) and Buckley v Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 76 (1976) per curiam)). v Federal Election Commission (Citizens United), at 52-53.  He also cited the holding in Bellotti that “Identification of the source of the advertising may be required as a means of disclosure, so that the people will be able to evaluate the arguments to which they are being subjected.” Id. At 53 (citing First Nat’l Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, 435 U.S. 765, 792, n. 32 (1978).

 

As to the argument that disclosure requirements should be limited to “express advocacy,” Justice Kennedy’s Opinion flatly declared: “We reject this contention.” Id.  He noted that the Supreme Court had, in a variety of contexts, upheld disclosure requirements that covered constitutionally protected acts, such as lobbying. Id. “For these reasons”, Justice Kennedy stated, “we reject Citizens United’s contention that the disclosure requirements must be limited to speech that is the functional equivalent of express advocacy.” Id. at 54.

 

As to the value of disclosure of political speech, Justice Kennedy was equally clear.  He wrote:

 

“With the advent of the Internet, prompt disclosure of expenditures can provide shareholders and citizens with the information needed to hold corporations and elected officials accountable for their positions and supporters.  Shareholders can determine whether their corporations political speech advances the corporation’s interest in making profits, and citizens can see whether elected officials are ‘in the pocket’ of so-called moneyed interests.”  Id. at 55

 

 

 

 

Justice Kennedy concluded:

 

“The First Amendment protects political speech; and disclosure permits citizens and shareholders to react to the speech of corporate entities in a proper way.  This transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages.”  Id.

 

Thus, Justice Kennedy binds together the two elements of his Opinion—independent corporate speech in elections is a First Amendment right, and the funding sources of such speech must be fully disclosed in order to make this constitutional right function in our political system.  This section of Justice Kennedy’s Opinion was the only one joined by the four Citizens United dissenters, meaning that the fundamental importance of disclosure was recognized by eight of the nine Justices.  Full disclosure is one of the few concepts in this contentious area of law to receive such a broad endorsement from the Supreme Court.

 

This background is important to your consideration of the DISCLOSE Act, not only because it makes it clear that the disclosure provisions of the bill are constitutional, but because they complete the process begun by the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision by requiring the sort of disclosure that Justice Kennedy and the other Justices found so essential to our democratic system.  I would go so far as to say that unrestricted corporate speech in elections without disclosure of the sources of such speech is contrary to the Court’s theory in Citizens United, which paired corporate First Amendment speech rights with the virtues of disclosure of the sources of such speech—disclosure to shareholders and to the general public.

 

 


From: Sean Parnell [mailto:sparnell@campaignfreedom.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:53 PM
To: Trevor Potter; JBoppjr@aol.com; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: RE: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

Well, something that’s worth pondering when the topic is “disclosure only” is, where does one draw the line? No need to re-hash the arguments here, I’ll just point out that one can favor disclosure generally while, at some point, recognizing that it goes too far and infringes on people’s right to freely associate and exposes them to intimidation, retribution, and harassment. I assume few here would argue that NAACP v. Alabama was wrongly decided?

 

So, rather than shouting “it’s just disclosure, for God’s sake!” and “But you said kind things about disclosure 5 years ago!” perhaps a more productive discussion would center around, where should the line between appropriate and excessive disclosure be drawn, and which side does the DISCLOSE Act fall on?

 

Sean Parnell

President

Center for Competitive Politics

http://www.campaignfreedom.org

http://www.twitter.com/seanparnellccp

124 S. West Street, #201

Alexandria, VA  22310

(703) 894-6800 phone

(703) 894-6813 direct

(703) 894-6811 fax

 

From: election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu [mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu] On Behalf Of Trevor Potter
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:43 PM
To: JBoppjr@aol.com; Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

 

Fred's comment speaks of stripping the bill "down to the disclosure provisions". IF a 'disclosure-only" version of the DISCLOSE Act were offered in the Senate, it would be completely consistent with the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United ( full disclosure of election-related speech having been endorsed 8-1 in that case), and would be consistent with what an overwhelming majority of Republican leaders have called for over the years when they said what we needed was a "disclosure-only system." Hard to see any rottenness in that approach...

 

Trevor Potter

 


From: election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu [mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu] On Behalf Of JBoppjr@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:37 PM
To: Rick.Hasen@lls.edu; election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Coates/DISCLOSE Act

    Fred just doesn't understand that this bill is rotten to the core; there is no "tweaking" that will fix it.  Jim Bopp

 

DISCLOSE Act Fails on Cloture Vote, 59-39

See here. According to Fred Wertheimer, "Senate sponsors of the DISCLOSE Act made clear to Senators Snowe and Collins that they were prepared to change the bill to strip it down to the disclosure provisions, to make 2011 the effective date for the disclosure reforms and to discuss any other changes the Senators wanted to make. Yet, Senators Snowe and Collins were not even willing to discuss with the sponsors of the legislation changes in the bill to address any problems they may have."
CCP rejoices.

 

In a message dated 9/23/2010 3:34:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Rick.Hasen@lls.edu writes:

von Spakovsky: Coates is Risking His Job at DOJ By Testifying Before U.S. Commission on Civil Rights

Following up on this post, see the end of this von Spakovsky posting.

Posted by Rick Hasen at 12:30 PM

DISCLOSE Act Fails on Cloture Vote, 59-39

See here. According to Fred Wertheimer, "Senate sponsors of the DISCLOSE Act made clear to Senators Snowe and Collins that they were prepared to change the bill to strip it down to the disclosure provisions, to make 2011 the effective date for the disclosure reforms and to discuss any other changes the Senators wanted to make. Yet, Senators Snowe and Collins were not even willing to discuss with the sponsors of the legislation changes in the bill to address any problems they may have."
CCP rejoices.

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