Subject: Re: [EL] California redistricting commission
From: Larry Levine
Date: 11/8/2010, 2:38 PM
To: Douglas Johnson <djohnson@ndcresearch.com>, 'James Fischer' <jfischer@swlaw.edu>, 'James Lacy' <wewerlacy@aol.com>, "jon.roland@constitution.org" <jon.roland@constitution.org>
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I suppose the courts could say "we'll review the plan after you sent one to us."  With a deadlocked commission, that would be a real hoot.
Larry
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From: Douglas Johnson
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Subject: Re: [EL] California redistricting commission

I realize this isn't the most serious of threads, and I've enjoyed the banter, but just in case anyone's still following it, the Commission's work will be overseen by the voters (the redistricting plans are subject to referendum) and by the courts (the commission must comply with the Federal Voting Rights Act).

 

In California, as in Florida, the question of how active the courts will be in overseeing the implementation of state redistricting criteria is an open question.

 

- Doug

 

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From: election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu [mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu] On Behalf Of James Fischer
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Subject: Re: [EL] California redistricting commission

 

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

 

From: election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu [mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu] On Behalf Of James Lacy
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Subject: Re: [EL] California redistricting commission

 

Then what we will need is an additional set of computers to program and run the computers.  The first set of commuters will need randomly selected programmers to oversee the randomly selected programers who program the first set of computers so that the work of randomly selected panels overseeing the randomly elected panels is as random as possible. 

James V. Lacy

Confidentiality applies

 

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On Nov 8, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Jon Roland <jon.roland@constitution.org> wrote:

On 11/08/2010 08:58 AM, JBoppjr@aol.com wrote:

It will be interesting to see how Jon's promotion of random selection works out when the Calif redistricting comm is randomly selected.  I wonder what are the efforts leading up to that to try to manipulate the process.

I got a report, as yet unconfirmed, that the framers of that reform got the idea from reading my stuff. Of course, if any process can be manipulated it will be. It had better be supervised by a grand jury for execution of the selection.

Randomly selected panels need to supervise the selection of other randomly selected panels. It is too important not to have a lot of independent people watching.

That still leaves the question of how computer mapping software is used in drawing the maps. If they do it right they will not attempt to do things like protect incumbents. Better to have little if any human input into the drawing. Let the computer do it.

-- Jon
 
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