Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and harassment |
From: Paul Sherman |
Date: 4/6/2011, 5:44 PM |
To: David Epstein <de11@columbia.edu>, Jerald Lentini <jerald.lentini@yahoo.com> |
CC: "Scarberry, Mark" <Mark.Scarberry@pepperdine.edu>, "election-law@mailman.lls.edu" <election-law@mailman.lls.edu> |
In my opinion, the right to “anonymous
speech” is useful shorthand, but can be misleading. Indeed, I think
that becoming overly focused on whether there is a specific “right to
speak on political issues *anonymously*” misconceives the inquiry and,
ultimately, what First Amendment protection is all about.
In a trivial sense, it’s obvious
that I don’t have an absolute right to speak anonymously, because I have
no right to prevent other people from attempting—within the bounds of the
law—to discern my identity. If I choose to literally get up on a
soapbox, I cannot compel listeners to avert their eyes. But that’s
not what the Supreme Court is talking about in cases like McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission.
Rather, they’re talking about speaker autonomy: the right to craft both
individual political messages and a campaign of those messages in the manner
that the speaker believes will be most effective.
A speaker who chooses to stand on a
soapbox has obviously concluded that his message can be presented effectively even
if some people—those in attendance and those who hear about it secondhand—might
recognize him. But another speaker, like Margaret McIntyre, might believe
that her message is more effective if presented in the form of leaflets left on
cars, some anonymous and others not. And the members of a nonprofit group
might believe that their identities would so detract from their message that they
take elaborate steps to maintain their anonymity. Note that none of these
choices has anything to do with fear of harassment; this is purely about
crafting messages in the manner that the speaker believes is most effective.
None of these speakers has a First
Amendment right to prevent members of the public from lawfully attempting to
divine or publicize their identities. But that’s very different
from saying that the government can compel these speakers to divulge information
about themselves or their activities or their associates that they otherwise
would not divulge. They have, after all, chosen to present their messages
without this information—either because they believe it is irrelevant or
because they believe it detracts from the messages—and that choice is what the First Amendment
protects.
As for your specific policy suggestion—requiring
groups to prominently label their communications as anonymous—I think
that would similarly violate the groups’ autonomy. It forces them
to emphasize something they otherwise would not: their choice not to
disclose their donors. And it seems to do so for the sole purpose of
making those groups’ political messages less persuasive to listeners (“Watch
out, this is a message from a scary anonymous group!”). I don’t
think that’s a legitimate reason for regulation and, indeed, the Supreme
Court rejected it in McIntyre.
See 514
Best,
Paul
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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011
6:55 PM
To: Jerald Lentini
Cc: Scarberry, Mark;
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Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and
harassment
I come at this issue as a strong defender of free speech rights, raised
in an ACLU household, and so on. So I'm in favor of the principle of free
speech, especially political free speech.
But I don't understand how that becomes the right to speak on political
issues *anonymously*. I can get up on my soapbox and say what I think, but then
people can see me, know who I am, and respond if they so choose.
The soapbox speaker risks being heckled, of course, and if he's
harassed within the definition of the law then the harasser should be arrested.
But to say that speech needs to be anonymous because of the mere possibility of
harassment, especially when that speech takes the form of monetary
contributions to campaigns that might swing outcomes, doesn't seem convincing
to me.
Reference has been made to other examples of anonymous political
speech, which, though rare in our history, has happened, e.g., in the
Federalist Papers. (Though I loved the comment that these probably didn't have
more than a marginal effect on the ratification debates.)
At the very least, however, people reading these anonymous missives did
so knowing that the writers were anonymous. So the parallel action would be
that if we do allow anonymous speech, then any ads or other communication
funded in whole or part by these groups should be prominently labeled with
something like "funds for this ad were provided by a political action
group which does not disclose its donors."
How would that work?
Best,
David Epstein
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jerald Lentini <jerald.lentini@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ah, I omitted a (rather important) word in my post. The first two
sentences of the third paragraph should read: "Whatever contributions the
Federalist Papers may have made to the ratification debates, it's hard to say
what effect their
anonymity had. Odds are it was quite slight."
I meant to limit that passage to the topic of the FP's anonymity, not anonymous
speech during the Founding era in general (which I wouldn't consider myself
remotely qualified to discuss). My apologies for the confusion.
-JR
From: "Scarberry,
Mark" <Mark.Scarberry@pepperdine.edu>
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<election-law@mailman.lls.edu>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 5:22:16
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Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and
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As
Mark Scarberry
Pepperdine
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On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011
10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and
harassment
I appreciate Mr. Lentini’s point as to the Federalist Papers, but very
many arguments for and against the Constitution during that era were written
anonymously as well. While it’s hard to speculate about whether the
vote on the Constitution would have been different had all the arguments been
accurately signed, it seems likely that anonymous speech in the aggregate did
have a noticeable impact on the votes related to the ratification. And of
course
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On Behalf Of Jerald Lentini
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011
10:23 AM
To: Jason Rylander; Sean Parnell
Cc: election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and
harassment
Professor Gregory
E. Maggs published a wonderful article four or five years ago--I believe this
was in the Boston University Law Review--explaining that the Federalist Papers'
virtue is that they lay out the original meaning and intent of the Framers, but
they probably cannot be fairly said to represent that of the state ratifiers,
who most likely wouldn't have read them before they voted, as republication
wasn't common (he included a great timeline in the appendix, comparing initial
publication dates to ratification vote dates in the states). Maggs finds no
record exists of the essays being mentioned in any of the state ratification
debates, and considers it highly unlikely that the essays had that much of an
audience outside
The obvious possible exception would be
Whatever contributions the Federalist Papers may have made to the ratification
debates, it's hard to say what effect anonymity had. Odds are it was
quite slight. The arguments in those essays were presented cogently and
eloquently, but they were certainly also presented in other fora by known
speakers and authors--especially in the state ratification debates where the
delegates to the Constitutional Convention were actively involved (which, come
to think of it, was all of them but Rhode Island).
Jon Roland can probably provide a better answer, but from my rudimentary
understanding, The State House Yard address of James Wilson, which took place
almost a month before Federalist 1 was published, was more popularly
distributed and widely read at the time, since it was far more concise (a few
hundred words shorter than Federalist #10 alone). And that was far from
anonymous, being delivered by one of the most famous figures in the country, in
front of an audience of citizens and officials, in broad daylight.
-JR Lentini
From: Jason Rylander <jasonrylander@gmail.com>
To: Sean Parnell <sparnell@campaignfreedom.org>
Cc: election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 11:34:59
AM
Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and
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A thought for all of you -- and perhaps those who have studied this in more
depth may have an answer -- if the Federalist Papers were not written
anonymously would the vote for the Constitution have been different? What
would a disclosure rule have meant at the time?
Jason Rylander
On Wed, Apr 6,
2011 at 11:13 AM, Sean Parnell <sparnell@campaignfreedom.org> wrote:
What, exactly,
does it mean to hold speakers "accountable," and what is the
government's proper role in helping to hold people "accountable" for
their
speech? I was under the impression that the First Amendment meant, in fact,
that government wouldn't be holding people "accountable" for their
free
speech (i.e. punishing them for voicing the "wrong" opinions).
Sean Parnell
President
Center for Competitive Politics
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894-6800 phone
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On Behalf Of Paul Lehto
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:47 PM
To: jon.roland@constitution.org
Cc: election-law@mailman.lls.edu
Subject: Re: [EL] Anonymity and harassment
One real problem with the anonymity/harassment debate is the fairly
low standard of "harassment" that gets regularly applied by many.
Oftentimes, accountability and "harassment" feel very much the same -
to a person being held accountable. (This of course does not cover
the more extreme examples of harassment.)
Under such relatively low standards, criminal defense attorneys,
prosecutors, as well as judges are certainly both subjected to and in
reasonable apprehension of "harassment." One could add jurors
in some
cases as well. At least the attorneys, prosecutors and judges would
all have the constitutional first amendment right to wear hoods
covering their faces and to conceal their names, on grounds of actual
and potential "harassment."
The above is the main reason why, in my mind, the concept of "civic
courage" must be given a a relatively heavy counterweight to whatever
realities of harassment exist.
Paul Lehto, J.D.
On 4/5/11, Jon Roland <jon.roland@constitution.org> wrote:
> Not if they are collaborating with the harassers.
>
> There are degrees and kinds of harassment. It can extend to assassination,
> which may be unlikely but only has to happen once for a given
> speaker/publisher.
>
> Our rights were forged in an environment of occupation by a brutal enemy,
> and defense of them should always assume real enemies that are capable of
> anything. Abuses by government officials are not just in the movies. I
have
> had my life threatened by a government agent after I criticized his
agency.
> Some of you seem to be oblivious to how brutal it can get in the real
world.
>
> Or it can be simply a matter that the speaker/publisher wants his words to
> be evaluated on their own merit without intrusion by his reputation, be it
> good or bad, with various recipients. If the author is a known partisan,
his
> words may be largely ignored by both his opponents and supporters, rather
> than made the subject of deep deliberation.
>
> On 04/05/2011 03:37 PM, Rick Hasen wrote:
>>
>> In the campaign finance context, it makes sense to have a court or
>> regulatory body made determinations about harassment.
>
> -- Jon
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