Subject: Re: [EL] Perhaps Gov. McDonnell wants a fair plan for all Virginians
From: Rob Richie
Date: 4/16/2011, 6:04 AM
To: "JBoppjr@aol.com" <JBoppjr@aol.com>
CC: "election-law@mailman.lls.edu" <election-law@mailman.lls.edu>

Good question, Jim.

And yes, it's nearly impossible to achieve the goal of competitive choice for all voters when relying only on winner-take-all rules -- and problematic to attempt to do so, as you say. But note thtqa it's a snap and almost-certain by-product of even the most modest plan with a non-winner-take-all rule.

Although it may seem like magical thinking to those used to the blinkers of winner-take-all rules, an appropriately chosen non-winner-take-all system not only will give all voters competitive choice, but bee far more likely to also produce what you understandably define as the purpose of elections: "have a legislative chamber that reflects the overall will of the people." Te key is "letting go" and not having mapmakers determine representation, but voters in the elections themselves. That's scary to some folks, but is by definition more democratic.

Rob


On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:54 AM, <JBoppjr@aol.com> wrote:
I really question this criteria "* put every voter in every election in a contested election with competitive choice." First it requires a lot of gerrymandering. District tend to be not compact so that you can get Dems from the inter-city and Repubs from the suburbs. Second, it is anti-democratic.  I thought the purpose of elections is to have a legislative chamber that reflects the overall will of the people.  By artificially creating more competitive districts, this can be frustrated.  The House Dems in Indiana did this in 2000. The Repubs regularly got 15% more votes overall but usually did not control the chamber. Third, one must take into account the voting history to do this. This is ripe for partisan manipulation.  Better that the redistricters not take that into account when this is done by a commission. You cannot stop this if done by the legislators themselves.  Jim Bopp
 
In a message dated 4/16/2011 7:26:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rr@fairvote.org writes:

Tongue firmly in cheek,  let me highlight rumors that Gov. McDonnell became a passionate reader of the FairVote blog on electoral reform after we rightly praised him for policies on voting rights for citizens with felony convictions.

The governor this week would have seen our blogpost below with alternative maps for Virginia. Our plans for the House of Delegates and state senate would:

* divide fewer counties than proposed plans
* put every voter in every election in a contested election with competitive choice
* increase representation of racial minorities, including providing for the first time opportunities for Latino voters to elect candidates of choice
* likely boost representation of women candidates, who have more success in multi-seat district elections
* keep the two party system largely -- if not perfectly -- intact;
* provide all voters with representatives of both major parties, meaning members of each party's legislative caucuses would represent every single Virginian when debating what is best for the future of the state.

No alternative proposal based on winner-take-all voting comes even close to such outcomes. Note further that Republican Bill Brady, who narrowly lost the general election for governor last year, including in his platform the goal of restoring such a system of non-winner-take-all voting to his state. And as a final point, nearly __every__ new democracy emerging from dictatorship rejects winner-take-all voting-- every eastern European democracy went to a form of proportional voting, for example, and pro-democracy advocates in Arab nations such as Tunisia, Libya, Jordan, Lebanon and Yemen overwhelmingly back forms of proportional voting in their counties,

So as Virginia's elected officials fight over which plan to adopt, keep in mind that every single proposed plan would put most voters in one-sided districts in which their representation has been largely determined by mapmakers, not how they vote. We'll be doing similar alternative voting plans as other states release plans. For instance, look on Monday for a simple congressional district plan for Louisiana based on drawing two three-seat US House districts: each new district would likely result in shared representation of the major parties and create clear opportunities for African Americans to elect candidates of choice.

But back within the blinkers of the winner-take-all world, kudos to Michael McDonald's Public Mapping Project that may have contributed to an understanding of better winner-take-all alternatives.

- Rob Richie, FairVote

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http://www.fairvote.org/virginia-redistricting-part-ii

Virginia Redistricting: Part II

by Rob Richie, Matt Morris // Published April 13, 2011

As explained  in Matt Morris' previous blog post on redistricting and Dean Searcy's blog on New Jersey legislative districts, FairVote proposes a better way to provide voters with real choices and fair representation than the highly problematic process of legislative redistricting. We prefer multi-member "super districts" with a proportional voting system rather than winner-take-all elections that give so much power to those crafting district lines.

As in his first example with Virginia's congressional districts, Matt used maps and data from the Virginia Redistricting Competition to construct alternative plans for the Virginia's State Legislature. Given that the University of Richmond team received first place in the Governor's Commission category, we decided to use its map. We simply combined five adjoining House of Delegates seats to create one super district, and then combined two of these super-districts to form he State Senate super districts. Each of our 20 super districts for the House of Delegates is designed to elect five seats, and each of our ten State Senate super districts has four seats.

Using a proportional voting system like choice voting in elections for the House of Delegates, a candidate could one seat with the strong support of about 17% of the vote, with a majority of three seats being won with 51%. In the four-seat super districts for the state senate, each seat could be won with about 20% of the vote. Based on the partisanship numbers, every single super districts would be highly likely to have shared representation -- meaning that every voter in the state would have representatives of both major parties and potentially more independents and some small parties. In addition, most, if not all super districts, would be competitive in every election for partisan control of at least one seat, putting every voter in a competitive race. No winner-take-all system comes remotely close to such elections. In contrast, the prize-winning plan from the University of Richmond created only 28 delegate districts that were competitive.

As for representation of racial minorities, African American voters would be well-positioned to elect 15 candidates of choice in a total of 11 of  the House of Delegates super districts and four candidates in the 10 state senate super districts, with additional chances in every single district to elect or directly influence the election of representatives. The prize-winning plan created only 12 African American majority delegate districts, leaving a a far greater number of African American in districts with little chance even to influence the election of a representative of choice.

Furthermore, the voting-age population of Latinos would be in double digits in five delegate super districts and two state senate super districts -- and more than the 17% threshold of representation in two delegate districts. Latino voters do not make up a majority of the vote in any winner-take-all district plan.

Below are our plans:

Terminology: "Black VAP" refers to the share of voting age population that is African American. "Partisan (Dem.)" refers to the percentage of voters who are projected to vote Democratic in a close statewide races, based on a determination used in the Virginia Redistricting Competition. Note that the partisanship provided can just as easily define the Republican partisanship, which is simply the "mirror" percentage -- meaning a 40.1% partisan district is 59.9% Republican.

House of Delegates

Districts
(Five seats)

(Prev. Numbers)

Pop.

Partisan (Dem.)

Black VAP

1

1,2,3,4,5

  404,421

37.45%

2.80%

2

6,7,8,9,10

  402,359

49.40%

14.10%

3

14,16,23,22,60

  399,606

42.09%

26.71%

4

61,75,63,66,62

  402,337

48.31%

37.43%

5

11,12,17,19,25

  405,457

45.38%

10.74%

6

56,56,58,57,24

  399,152

49.71%

16.06%

7

65,27,70,69,68

  405,331

56.04%

31.72%

8

55,72,73,71,74

  399,483

55.98%

27.05%

9

76,78,80,77,79

  406,329

55.58%

38.63%

10

81,84,21,83,82

  407,932

45.97%

20.38%

11

89,90,87,95,92

  397,619

67.34%

45.19%

12

94,91,96,64,100

  398,057

47.46%

23.88%

13

97,98,99,54,28

  400,522

41.75%

18.69%

14

30,88,31,13,85

  394,096

44.58%

17.83%

15

52,51,42,44,43

  395,413

58.27%

20.56%

16

40,50,41,39,37

  393,127

53.37%

7.84%

17

46,45,49,38,47

  400,492

71.81%

14.79%

18

35,53,48,34,36

  394,289

61.64%

5.26%

19

93,67,33,86,32

  395,722

49.19%

8.33%

20

26,29,15,18,20

  398,613

38.78%

4.82%

 

 

State Senate

Districts
(Four seats)

(Prev. Numbers)

Pop.

Partisan (Dem.)

Black VAP

1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

  806,780

43.43%

8.45%

2

14,16,23,22,60,61,75,63,66,62

  801,943

45.20%

32.07%

3

11,12,17,19,25,59,56,58,57,24

  804,609

47.55%

13.40%

4

65,27,70,69,68,55,72,73,71,74

  804,814

56.01%

29.39%

5

76,78,80,77,79,81,84,21,83,82

  814,261

50.78%

29.51%

6

89,90,87,95,92,94,91,96,64,100

  795,676

57.40%

34.54%

7

97,98,99,54,28,30,88,31,13,85

  794,618

43.17%

18.26%

8

52,51,42,44,43,40,50,41,39,37

  788,540

55.82%

14.20%

9

46,45,49,38,47,35,53,48,34,36

  794,781

66.73%

10.03%

10

93,67,33,86,32,26,29,15,18,20

  794,335

43.99%

6.58%


As the data shows, there are more opportunities for minorities to elect representatives, as well as a fairly even distribution of partisanship so that one party does clearly dominate.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Michael McDonald <mmcdon@gmu.edu> wrote:
Gov. McDonnell vetoed the state legislative redistricting plans. The two
chambers' plans were packaged into one bill. You can read Gov. McDonnell's
veto statement here:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B0bHdAFS4
MgqYjEzMzgyOWYtNTY3NC00NjhjLTg5ZDktOWRiOTI2ZTE3YmVh&hl=en


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Dr. Michael P. McDonald
Associate Professor, George Mason University
Non-Resident Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution

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