So you believe corporations have a right to profits sufficient to allow them to spend on elections, and that a withdrawal of a government contract, for example, is an election law and first amendment issue? No

Not everything that might affect political power is election law. But I am pleased if this means you are joining the skeptics.

Bradley A. Smith
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Donnelly [mailto:ddonnelly@campaignmoney.org]
Sent: Thu 4/21/2011 5:24 PM
To: Bill Maurer
Cc: Smith, Brad; Scarberry, Mark; Election Law
Subject: Re: [EL] Pay to Play or "No Pay to Play"

There's no functional equivalent in the real world. One proposal literally defunds political activities of some actors. The other raises the possibility that that some might worry about how their political activities will be viewed.

I'm hampered by typing on my phone. Sorry for brevity.

David

Sent from my iPhone. Sorry for typos and cryptic messages.

On Apr 21, 2011, at 5:17 PM, "Bill Maurer" <wmaurer@ij.org<mailto:wmaurer@ij.org>> wrote:

David,

I think there is a substantive difference between using the law to interfere with a constitutional right and having the government act as the collection agency for a private association that the government forces people to join if they wish to work at a particular job.  The government has no constitutional obligation to require dues or agency shop fees at all, much less make it as easy as possible for them to collect them for political purposes.  Davenport v. Wash. Educ. Ass'n, 551 U.S. 177, 184 (2007).  The fact that the government has created an extraordinary benefit for some does not mean a modest restriction on that benefit violates the First Amendment.  In contrast, a government restriction on an inalienable constitutional right is not the same thing, unless one views the right of free speech as a benefit conferred by the state that the government is merely allowing one to use.

Bill

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From: election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu<mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> [mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu] On Behalf Of David Donnelly
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:55 PM
To: Smith, Brad
Cc: Scarberry, Mark; Election Law
Subject: Re: [EL] Pay to Play or "No Pay to Play"

Like ending dues collection (or making dues collective extremely difficult) for public employee union or all unions?

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On Apr 21, 2011, at 4:44 PM, "Smith, Brad" <<mailto:BSmith@law.capital.edu><mailto:BSmith@law.capital.edu>BSmith@law.capital.edu<mailto:BSmith@law.capital.edu>> wrote:

Reformers who propose this type of thing often point to the need to look at the real world.

Ok. The real world is that all this - Disclose, new SEC regs, the FCC and FEC efforts, the EO, the  Van Hollen petition-
All are conscious efforts to use the law to silence Political opposition.

We all know that that is true, even if there are more defensible reasons for these proposals that motivate the type of people on this list. But that reality, one might hope, would give pause to all.

Bradley A. Smith
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Capital University Law School
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(614) 236-6317
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From: <mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> <mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu<mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> on behalf of Stephen Klein
Sent: Thu 4/21/2011 1:13 PM
To: Scarberry, Mark
Cc: Election Law
Subject: Re: [EL] Pay to Play or "No Pay to Play"

Certainly could be a subtle shift back in the direction of independent expenditures as quid pro pro, struck down in CU but not gone entirely via Caperton. It's worth noting also that Citizens United did not affect regulations against coordination with candidates. So, if there's a problem there the FEC has a way to address it-- will this reg merely buttress investigations into these concerns or circumvent the gov'ts burden?

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On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:52 PM, "Scarberry, Mark" <<mailto:Mark.Scarberry@pepperdine.edu><mailto:Mark.Scarberry@pepperdine.edu>Mark.Scarberry@pepperdine.edu<mailto:Mark.Scarberry@pepperdine.edu>> wrote:

> The proposed Executive Order to require potential government contractors to disclose independent expenditures could help to bring to light pay to play schemes, in which making of independent expenditures that help a politician's campaign then lead to an award of a contract by government officials. That is the effect discussed in the blog item to which Rick linked. But such disclosure could also lead to government officials improperly denying contracts to those who make independent expenditures that the government officials don't like. Of course that possibility could "chill" speech that is protected under the First Amendment (at least if you consider the spending of money on independent expenditures to be inextricably linked to speech, as I do). Does that potential chilling effect create a substantial First Amendment issue with respect to the proposed EO? A related question: which effect is likely to predominate? Uncovering of illicit pay to play schemes, or chilling of protected speech by way of independent expenditures due to fear of retaliation?
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> Mark Scarberry
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> From: <mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> <mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu<mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu> [<mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu><mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu><mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu>mailto:election-law-bounces@mailman.lls.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Hasen
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> April 21, 2011
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> CA Redistricting Maps Expected June 10
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> See here.
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 08:24 AM
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> Hang It Up, Ms. Kloppenburg
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> That's the sentiment of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel editorial board. I too have trouble seeing the reason for the recount at this point, though it is certainly Ms. Kloppenburg's right to request one at state expense given the margin of the election.
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 08:21 AM
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> "Canadians Can't Tweet Election Results"
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> Crazy, eh?
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 08:16 AM
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> "Advocacy groups, students argue N.J. should allow voter registration on Election Day"
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> <http://NJ.com> <http://NJ.com> NJ.com<http://NJ.com> reports.
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 08:12 AM
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> Is It Really Legal to Offer Alcohol to Get Someone to Sign a Recall Petition in Wisconsin?
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> See here. In my work on vote buying I came across a number of jurisdictions (including California) that allow payments for turnout (though not in elections with federal candidates on the ballot). But all of those laws prohibit paying for voting for a specific result. Under similar logic, I find it hard to believe any state makes it legal to pay people to sign a ballot measure petition. Any Wisconsinites who can shed light on this?
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 08:06 AM
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> "Lawsuit seeks disclosure of secret campaign contributions"
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> The LA Times reports that "Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) and a group of reform advocates will file suit in federal court, along with rulemaking petition at the Federal Election Commission, Thursday morning that seeks disclosure of secret contributions flowing to political campaigns." Check out the complaint, and the FEC rulemaking petition. See also this press release.
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> I had been thinking for some time that a lawsuit like this makes sense. The question is whether any relief, if available, will come in time for the 2012 election season.
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 07:58 AM
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> April 20, 2011
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> "The Obama Pay-to-Play Initiative"
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> This item appears at the Corporate Political Activity Law blog.
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> Posted by Rick Hasen at 03:34 PM
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