Subject: Re: [EL] Electionlawblog news and commentary 5/10/11
From: Rob Richie
Date: 5/10/2011, 8:38 AM
To: John Tanner
CC: Kim <kbrace@aol.com>, "election-law@mailman.lls.edu" <election-law@mailman.lls.edu>


I suspect the qualifier to Kim's number that makes it smaller than it could be is that  these are jurisdictions that play a role in administering federal elections (or make key decisions that affect them such as ballot design and polling places).

Many thousands more local jurisdictions run their own local elections, often rather erratically and with very limited oversight (at least if not under the eye of the DOJ voting section). That total number may approach what Keith Gaddie put out, but we've run into localities in states all over the country that run their own election when held separately from state/federal races.

Good to get an accurate number on the federal election administration -- I've heard higher numbers in the past, but I respect Kim's methodology

Rob Richie, FairVote


On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Tanner <john.k.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that the 10,072 are the jurisdictions that conduct voter registration -- maintain separate registration lists.  The number that actually conduct their own elections would be much, much larger as Prof. Gaddie's data suggest

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Kim <kbrace@aol.com> wrote:
Hey Joe, et al --
 
       I too noted the Canvass piece (and knew it was coming).  It turns out they dropped a number that I had listed separately ... that of the townships located in New England states (there are 1,620).  The 5,312 townships are those located in the Midwest states of Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin, that we had cited separately.  The 10,072 should be more correctly noted as "local jurisdictions that conduct elections and currently, or in the past, have made determinations on what kind of voting equipment they will use to conduct such elections."
 
       I have been interested in determining jurisdictions that have an existing office that either works full time, or part time, on elections.  These are entities where you might find persons who have either a title or a role in election administration functions in their jurisdiction.  Because we have kept track of what kind of voting equipment is used in each county or jurisdiction in the nation since 1980, long ago we built a database to handle that kind of information.  In many instances these include entities that a state election office might report separately, for example, the eight city election boards in Illinois that get added to the 102 counties in any report of data or equipment for that state. Those eight have separate election boards or offices that conduct elections within their jurisdiction, as opposed to having the county run the elections.
 
       While Keith and Jon are correct in their own right of the number or type of offices for which elections are held, many of those are not run by that school board or taxing district, but instead the conduct of the election functions are farmed out or contracted for by the county they are located within.  Hense we don't treat them as separate entities that are involved in conducting or managing the elections process.

       Hope that provides some clarity
 
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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [EL] Electionlawblog news and commentary 5/10/11


On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Rick Hasen <rhasen@law.uci.edu> wrote:

May Issue of NCSL's "The Canvass" Now Available

See here.
Maybe Kim can help me out here... This issue of The Canvass has a factoid that says:

"10,072 - That’s the number of jurisdictions in the United States that conduct elections. It includes 50 states, 3,140 counties and 5,312 townships. (Thanks to Election Data Services for this information.)"

If I add those numbers up, I get 8,502; 1,570 less than 10,072... what am I missing? And are there distinct election administrations for each of these? best, Joe

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