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I am not concerned about anyone's subjective  motivation or what they are 
willing to admit to. We are entitled to  assume that "people intend the 
natural and probable consequences of their  acts."   
_Click here:  Intention in English law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_in_English_law)  If they don't,  
they would change what they do. Reformers watch people being driven out of the  
political system by their burdensome, complex and oppressive laws -- and 
they  still think they are justified.  So they must intend this result.   Jim

 
 
In a message dated 8/10/2011 1:25:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rhasen at law.uci.edu writes:

Jim,

Do you really  believe reformers' goals are "to drive citizens of average 
means out of our  political system?"  That certainly does not match up with 
my experience  in talking to people who are strongly in favor of regulation.  
Usually  they express to me concerns about large money corrupting the 
system, concerns  about inequality/lack of a level playing field, or concerns 
about the high  costs of campaigns.  I cannot recall a single conversation over 
many  years of speaking with reform-minded individuals who ever--publicly 
or  privately--expressed a desire to drive citizens of average means out of 
our  political system.

That's not to say that complex laws cannot have this  effect.  I believe 
they can, and that to the extent that campaign finance  laws do so, they need 
to be changed.  But you suggest a motive for such  laws which seems so off 
from reality that I'm not sure if you are  serious.

Rick

On 8/10/2011 10:19 AM, _JBoppjr at aol.com_ (mailto:JBoppjr at aol.com)  wrote:  
_Click here: Study shows who breaks campaign laws -  The Pueblo Chieftain: 
Local_ 
(http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/study-shows-who-breaks-campaign-laws/article_9cf187fc-c185-11e0-baff-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story)  
 
 “Our office did a study and looked at who pays campaign finance  fines, 
who doesn’t, who violates the law a lot, things like that,” said  Secretary 
of State Scott Gessler. “And the bottom line is this: Volunteers  and 
grass-roots groups are far more likely to run afoul of the law because  the law is 
so complex. Large, big-money groups are able to hire attorneys  and 
accountants and pay very, very few fines.”
 
But this is the purpose of campaign finance laws -- to drive  citizens of 
average means out of our political system. Nice to see it  is working. The 
"reformers" will be very pleased, I am sure.  Jim  Bopp


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