[EL] presidential primary ballot access is easy
Douglas Carver
dhmcarver at gmail.com
Wed Nov 2 13:46:34 PDT 2011
Daniel --
Thanks for the excellent point regarding Roemer. I seem to recall
having read that there is no standard for GOP primary ballot access in
Florida, that a handful of GOP leaders get together and decide who is
on the ballot, and that's that then -- sucks to you if they don't like
you or want you. Given the substantial number of delegates Florida
sends to the convention, that is a pretty extraordinary power.
Douglas Carver
Santa Fe, NM
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:31 PM, daniel smith <dasmith at ufl.edu> wrote:
> Well, with respect to major party ballot access being easy, former Louisiana
> governor Buddy Roemer might beg to differ. Roemer has been excluded from
> both Florida and South Carolina's GOP primary ballots. According top Roemer,
> he couldn't afford SC's $35,000 filing fee. And in FL, where he was
> campaigning yesterday, he blamed the Florida state GOP chairman, who
> "arbitrarily and single-handedly decided to exclude" him from the ballot."
> According to a story in the Times-Picayune, "Roemer said his 1 percent in
> Florida in the most recent American Research Group poll, ties him with
> former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman --
> who had headquartered his campaign in Florida -- places him ahead of former
> New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, and puts him only a few points behind
> Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and Texas Gov. Rick
> Perry, who were at 3, 4 and 5 percent respectively."
>
>
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> On 11/2/2011 4:09 PM, Jeff Hauser wrote:
>
> Newt Gingrich is heavily in debt, Santorum treading financial water -- their
> challenges might be even greater than Cain's.
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Douglas Carver <dhmcarver at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can echo what Trevor wrote from the Democratic side -- I worked with
>> Bill Richardson's ill-fated campaign, and it took substantial time,
>> effort, and staffing to get on the various ballots. I do not know
>> about Cain's organization, but what little I have read seems to show
>> that it is small, and possibly not up to this task.
>>
>> Douglas Carver
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> PS -- I apologize if this thread has moved on -- I am catching up on
>> old posts today.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Trevor Potter <tpotter at capdale.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I always fear to disagree with Richard Winger on ballot access as he
>> > knows so much more than I. BUT as McCain general counsel I found ballot
>> > access a huge task. McCain had little money to spare throughout the
>> > primaries, so we had to rely on local volunteers. While some states allow a
>> > campaign to get on the primary ballot through the easy methods mention
>> > below, many require real legwork. We spent thousands (literally)of hours
>> > making sure we qualified in Indiana and Virginia.
>> >
>> > On the Democratic side the Presidential candidates benefited from
>> > shared petition drives under local party auspices. That never occurs on the
>> > GOP side-the better financed candidates believe they have a competitive edge
>> > and do not want it diluted. As a result the RNC in 2008 played "fair" and
>> > provided absolutely no help to any campaign.
>> >
>> > Further, I am not clear if the "qualified for federal matching funds"
>> > ballot access option (enshrined in many stat's laws, and used by McCain last
>> > time even though he ended up not taking those funds) is being used by any
>> > GOP candidate this year. Does anyone know if any of the candidates has taken
>> > steps at the FEC to qualify? If not, the ballot access hurdle is
>> > significantly higher .
>> > Trevor Potter
>> >
>> > Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com)
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Richard Winger [mailto:richardwinger at yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 07:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
>> > To: Jeff Hauser
>> > Cc: law-election at uci.edu
>> > Subject: [EL] presidential primary ballot access is easy
>> >
>> > No state will require Herman Cain, or any other Republican who is in the
>> > debates, to submit more than 3,000 signatures, except that Indiana requires
>> > 4,500 and Virginia requires 10,000. Ballot access in presidential
>> > primaries, for candidates who are discussed in the news media, is automatic
>> > in about half the states, and in other states it is automatic for candidates
>> > who qualify for primary season matching funds or who pay a filing fee.
>> >
>> > Severe ballot access laws are reserved for outsiders, like independent
>> > candidates, minor parties, and presidential primary candidates in the major
>> > parties who aren't discussed in the news media and who don't qualify for
>> > primary season matching funds.
>> >
>> > Richard Winger
>> >
>> > 415-922-9779
>> >
>> > PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 10/20/11, Jeff Hauser <jeffhauser at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Jeff Hauser <jeffhauser at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [EL] the wiliness of Herman Cain
>> > To: richardwinger at yahoo.com
>> > Cc: law-election at uci.edu
>> > Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 3:52 PM
>> >
>> > Is there a good summary of the calendar of the GOP ballot access and
>> > whether cain has a real chance to get on all 50 GOP primary ballots?
>> > Because I wouldn't assume he will accomplish that.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Richard Winger
>> > <richardwinger at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am starting to think Herman Cain has the same aptitude for
>> > presidential politics that Ronald Reagan had.
>> >
>> > Cain has sometimes taken extreme stands, but then he finds a way to back
>> > away. The value of this is that when he initially takes the extreme stand,
>> > that makes an emotional connection with the voters who share that emotion.
>> >
>> >
>> > For example, abortion. Political Wire earlier today had a description
>> > of something he said somewhere recently, an interview or a speech. He said
>> > he is totally pro-life, "no exceptions" for pregnancy caused by rape or
>> > incest. But then in the next breath he says that it doesn't follow
>> > logically that his values should be enshrined in law and enforced on
>> > everyone else.
>> >
>> >
>> > Gays in the military...first he was adamantly opposed to repealing Don't
>> > Ask Don't Tell. But then later he says this is a
>> > settled issue and we should forget about it.
>> >
>> > On illegal immigrations, first he says he is so opposed to illegal
>> > immigrants, he wants an electrified fence. But later he backs away.
>> >
>> > In each case, his initial extreme stand, in my opinion, makes an
>> > favorable emotional impact on voters who like to hear that, even though that
>> > voter knows inside that the extreme stand is not really sensible or viable.
>> > So the voter now "likes" Herman Cain, because there has been a shared
>> > emotion.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ronald Reagan did that also. In his years as a spokesperson for General
>> > Electric, he was very, very anti-government. When he got into office as
>> > Governor, of course he doubled the California state income tax, signed a
>> > bill liberalizing abortion, etc. As president he was also pragmatic.
>> >
>> >
>> > Another trait Reagan and Cain have in common is their sunny
>> > good-naturedness. One would not see either one of them attacking a fellow
>> > Republican the way Romney and Perry have been attacking each other.
>> >
>> > Richard Winger
>> >
>> > 415-922-9779
>> >
>> > PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
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