[EL] (Not Really) ranked-choice voting in SF

Mon Nov 7 10:16:55 PST 2011

I believe that the focus of the study was on runoffs -- someone winning outright on the first ballot would not lead to a runoff in a traditional primary/runoff election format either.

From: Richard Winger [mailto:richardwinger at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:28 AM
To: 'Rick Hasen'; law-election at uci.edu; Douglas Johnson
Subject: Re: [EL] (Not Really) ranked-choice voting in SF

I'm really surprised to hear that anyone believes no one has ever won an IRV election in San Francisco with a majority of the first place votes.  It is very well known that in the last mayoralty election, Gavin Newsom easily won on first place votes alone, with, I believe, 72% of the voters giving him a first-place vote.  I am sure Rob Richie will be chiming in; he knows more details than I do.

Richard Winger
415-922-9779
PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Douglas Johnson <djohnson at ndcresearch.com> wrote:

From: Douglas Johnson <djohnson at ndcresearch.com>
Subject: Re: [EL] (Not Really) ranked-choice voting in SF
To: "'Rick Hasen'" <rhasen at law.uci.edu>, law-election at uci.edu
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 8:58 AM

In San Francisco voters rank only their top three choices, not all of the candidates. As a result many voters do not participate in the final "run off," because all three of their choices have been eliminated in previous rounds. 

Unlike those voters who choose not to turn out in a traditional runoff election, these SF voters have no way to know that their choices will be eliminated, and they have no way to register their preference among the final runoff candidates.

I have not personally confirmed this, but I saw one study that found none of the winners using SF's system have ever won with a majority of voters supporting them. In every case, drop-off from all three choices losing led to wins by plurality. I'd be interested to know if that study's been confirmed or disproven.

- Doug

Douglas Johnson

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LA Times Previews Pearce Recall Election in Arizona <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25125>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25125> November 7, 2011 8:38 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

One to watch <http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-recall-20111107,0,3155045.story> .

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“Obama’s strategic edge: cash to campaign everywhere” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25122>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25122> November 7, 2011 8:35 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

The LA Times offers this front-page report <http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-states-strategy-20111107,0,6320233.story> .

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“Tell Americans to Vote, or Else” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25120>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25120> November 7, 2011 8:34 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

William Galston has written  <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/opinion/sunday/telling-americans-to-vote-or-else.html?scp=1&sq=galston&st=Search> this NY Times oped.  I wrote extensively on the topic of mandatory voting in the U.s. in this piece, Voting without Law?, an older Penn Law Review article that I’ve recently posted on SSRN <http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1314963> .

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“States With Strict Voter Photo ID Laws More Than Tripled In 2011″ <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25117>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25117> November 7, 2011 8:30 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

ABC News reports <http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/states-with-strict-voter-photo-id-laws-more-than-trippled-in-2011/> . See also this LA Times editorial <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-vote-20111107,0,6967596.story> , “Can’t We All Just Vote?”

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“County plans to prevent provisional ballot problems” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25114>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25114> November 7, 2011 8:24 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

An important story <http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201111060522/NEWS0108/111070301>  in the Cincinnati Enquirer, which also discusses the Hunter litigation.

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“Ranked Choice Put To The Test In S.F. Mayor Race” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25111>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25111> November 7, 2011 8:21 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

NPR reports <http://www.npr.org/2011/11/07/142080926/ranked-choice-put-to-the-test-in-s-f-mayor-race> .

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“Small Elections Drawing Big Money In Some States” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25108>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25108> November 6, 2011 9:53 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

NPR reports <http://www.npr.org/2011/11/06/142079610/small-elections-drawing-big-money-in-some-states?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw> .

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“Independent committees obscure campaign fund trail” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25105>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25105> November 6, 2011 9:46 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

The SF Chronicle reports <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/05/MNGM1LQAEL.DTL> .

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“Democrats Target Restrictive Voter Laws” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25103>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25103> November 6, 2011 9:45 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

NPR reports <http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hPimbbqK_AlIlR0ICNTQqNo4apOg?docId=CNG.ba960336eef0b6b64d443031b729e9c7.4d1> .

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“Bring Same-Day Registration Back? Maine Votes” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25100>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25100> November 6, 2011 9:43 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

NPR reports <http://www.npr.org/2011/11/06/142063994/bring-same-day-registration-back-maine-votes> .

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WaPo Profile of Justice O’Connor Discusses Her Role on Judicial Selection Changes <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25097>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25097> November 6, 2011 9:41 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

Here <http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/oconnor-breaks-ground-again-this-time-as-a-former-supreme-court-justice/2011/10/24/gIQA3KRWtM_story.html> .

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“Popular fallacy: a public choice analysis of Electoral College reform” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25093>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25093> November 5, 2011 1:29 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

Brandon Draper has written this article <http://www.inderscience.com/storage/f428111210196573.pdf>  for the International Journal of Public Law and Policy.  Here is the abstract:

This article contends that the demand for Electoral College reform that occurs during every US presidential election season, most notably after the 2000 presidential election controversy, is largely misguided. Individuals demanding reform mainly seek to replace the Electoral College with an election system that, unlike the Electoral College, guarantees that the winner earns the most national popular votes. However, public choice provides a unique framework for assessing the inherent flaws of these reforms against the Electoral College. This article, under a public choice analysis, will seek to explain the deficiencies of the Electoral College, but more importantly, explain why reforms to or the abolishment of the Electoral College may either fail to solve US presidential election problems or even exacerbate them.

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“Rules of the Game: Campaign Finance Rules Too Lax, Some Say” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25091>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25091> November 5, 2011 1:24 pm by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

Eliza’s latest <http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_54/Campaign-Finance-Rules-Too-Lax-Some-Say-210064-1.html?pos=hln> .

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“Ohio Redistricting Compromise Looks ‘Dead’” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25088>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25088> November 5, 2011 11:21 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

Roll Call reports <http://www.rollcall.com/news/Ohio-Redistricting-Compromise-Looks-Dead-210063-1.html?pos=hftxt> .

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“Cain’s Legal Team: The Bopp Connection” <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25085>  

Posted on  <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=25085> November 5, 2011 11:19 am by Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>  

The WSJ Law Blog reports <http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/11/04/cains-legal-team-the-bopp-connection/> .

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