[EL] A nation of sissies!/ Re: The enemies list, then and now

[David Epstein]

I don't know about the anti-Federalist authors, but Madison, Hamilton
and Jay were all well-known supporters of the new Constitution. So
just because they wrote the Federalist Papers anonymously doesn't mean
that they weren't subject to any reprisals or counter-arguments,
hiding behind the cloak of anonymity.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:40 AM,  <JBoppjr at aol.com> wrote:
> The Founders of our country who wrote the Federalist and Anti-Federalist
> Papers were hardly winps.  Jim Bopp
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2012 9:25:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dschultz at gw.hamline.edu writes:
>
> Justice Scalia is often fond of declaring that the purpose of the First
> Amendment is to promote robust debate.  I agree with him.  But at the same
> time that the First Amendment gives individuals a right to say whatever they
> want, it also means others have a right to respond, hold you accountable,
> and even say you are crazy for your position.  Maybe you get mocked, teased,
> or satirized, but all that is part of what robust debate in a free society
> is about.
>
> I say this because I fear that the debate about disclosure is exposing us to
> be a nation of wimps!  The arguments being presented here seem to suggest
> that I should be protected from any type of criticism or controversy
> surrounding my political contributions.  I am sorry but the First Amendment
> does not insulate that.  Yes real harassment--such as lynchings or cross
> burnings in front yards as was feared in the NAACP v. Alabama case--are
> something we should worry about, but teasing, taunting, publishing a list of
> names, boycotts, all of that is part of the robust debate surrounding the
> First Amendment that we should expect.  I hate to steal Truman's line "But
> if you can't stand the heat. . ."  If you cannot take the legitimate public
> scrutiny or criticism surrounding your political contribution then stay out
> of politics.  As Scalia once said about administrative law one can also say
> about politics--it ain't for sissies!
>
> On another note:  Please remember that NAACP v. Alabama ruled in that case
> that case that membership lists of non-profit organizations were protected
> by the First Amendment against government exposure because of the unique
> aspects of the organization and the facts of the cases demonstrating real
> possibility of reprisal.  The case did not rule that donor lists were
> protected by the First Amendment, unless I missed something.
>
>
>
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>>>> David Epstein <david.l.epstein at gmail.com> 07/23/12 8:10 AM >>>
> This is it? Seriously? After reading the column, I see that someone
> (presumably wealthy) who donated money to Romney has been audited. I
> also see that an Obama "campaign website" listed some donors along
> with aspersions on their characters, but (tellingly), there is no link
> provided to this website. If someone has the link, I'd be happy to
> follow that too, but my guess is that it wasn't published by the
> actual Obama campaign.
>
> Pretty thin gruel, definitely on the level of internet urban legends
> rather than actual news.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:59 AM, <JBoppjr at aol.com> wrote:
>> Click here: The enemies list, then and now | Power Line
>>
>> Interesting story about harassment of contributors triggered by the
>> Obama campaign.
>>
>> Opps, on second thought, don't read, we have been authoritatively told
>> that this does not happen. Jim Bopp
>>
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