[EL] Nothing unusual here?
Richard Winger
richardwinger at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 27 11:39:04 PDT 2012
These Somalis must sign in under penalty of perjury that they are citizens. They are leaving a paper trail; we can know who among these group voted, and any of them who aren't citizens will be in big legal trouble. It would be a personal catastrophe for any Somali who has established a life in Ohio to be deported back to Somalia.
If there is a fear that these people aren't aware of the law, it would be desirable that community leaders in the Somali Ohio community publicize the law in the language that the members would be able to read, of course. Ohio election administration is headed by a Republican Secretary of State. He is an elected official and he has the ear of the press. He is very capable of communicating with leaders of the Somali community in Ohio to encourage leaders of the community to publicize Ohio law.
Richard Winger
415-922-9779
PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
--- On Sat, 10/27/12, Steve Hoersting <hoersting at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Steve Hoersting <hoersting at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [EL] Nothing unusual here?
To: "Justin Levitt" <levittj at lls.edu>
Cc: law-election at department-lists.uci.edu
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 10:59 AM
Justin, respectfully, the questions are these:
1) How many of those persons in the story are citizens who can vote?
And 2) if any are voting who aren't citizens -- eligible under current law because they present a Columbia-Gas bill to an Ohio election worker and check a box -- will be disqualified before the losing candidate in a tight contest concedes the election?
Really, this is an election-law list to which we're posting. Don't say you don't understand the issues at stake, the importance of momentum in the closest battleground, or the importance of margins.
If this were a list of, say, auto enthusiasts or of pinochle, I would understand, and most likely agree with, your wrap-yourself-in-the-flag retort. Given the context, however, it won't do.
Cordially,
Steve
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Justin Levitt <levittj at lls.edu> wrote:
I'm not sure which laws implicated in the story are "new and
relaxed." And I think what Richard was suggesting is that if the
concern is that the only available translators are Democrats, the
Republicans might want to find themselves a Somali translator. If
your mom speaks Somali, and feels like translating, good for her --
I'm not aware that translators have to be citizens under the law.
By the numbers cited in the story (which I've not confirmed), there
are in Ohio at least 18000 American citizens of Somalian descent.
At least 6750 of them have limited English proficiency. And they
have to parse (among other things) a redistricting
initiative that spans three columns of the ballot if they want
to exercise their civic responsibilities.
They have come to the polls, received materials protected by the
First Amendment outside of an electioneering zone, and sought to
vote according to the governing federal and state laws, including a
federal law permitting translation assistance at the polls that has
been enforced by both Democratic
and Republican administrations at the DOJ.
Whether any of this activity is unusual depends entirely on where
you live and who you hang out with, I suspect. But there's nothing
in the report that I can see that leads to any conclusion that
there's anything unlawful. Maybe "what's going on here" is citizens
expressing their right to vote for their representatives. I'm not
suspicious of that sort of thing during an election.
Justin
On 10/27/2012 10:36 AM, Steve Hoersting
wrote:
Yes, Richard: My Mom is a Canadian. She "works for",
such as it is, "the Republican side."
She doesn't vote, however. And no one picks her up in a van.
Trying honestly to determine what is going on here... in a
State everyone agrees is the battleground... voting under new
and relaxed voting laws,
Steve
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM,
Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Ohio
Republican Party or the Romney campaign probably
has the resources and ability to find
Somali-speaking persons who would work for the
Republican side, especially if there are that many
Somali-speakers in Ohio.
Richard Winger
415-922-9779
PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
--- On Sat, 10/27/12, Steve Hoersting <hoersting at gmail.com>
wrote:
From: Steve Hoersting <hoersting at gmail.com>
Subject: [EL] Nothing unusual here?
To: law-election at uci.edu
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 10:09 AM
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/
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