[EL] Internet Voting in Canada

Fri Sep 21 10:04:15 PDT 2012

As far as electronic submission, I believe West Virginia is continuing its UOCAVA program, which it piloted in 2010. Okaloosa County in Florida also had an internet voting program targeting (but not limited to) military personal overseas. Votes were cast, however, via a controlled kiosk, and in that way not may not meet the definition or "remote" electronic voting.  

As far as tracking and verifying a vote, people may be interested in the Norwegian internet voting system, which they recently piloted in their local elections. After casting an internet vote, Norwegians would receive a special return code through their cell phones. They could check the code from the phone against a number sent to them on a special polling card earlier. The card contained a list of number combinations that corresponded to every possible way to cast a ballot. The secrecy of the ballot was still only possible because voters could cast as many internet votes as they wanted with only the last one counting (thus removing any incentive for vote buying or coercion as a vote-buyer could look at a receipt but have no way of knowing if that would be the final vote that counted). In addition, a voter could still cast a paper ballot on election day, which would replace all internet votes cast. 

I'm curious, are results from the NC "internet votes" published separately from other absentee ballot results?  

David Jandura

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From: law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] On Behalf Of Nichols, Susan
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I want to clarify how the Internet is used in voting in NC because "Internet voting" can mean different things to different people. North Carolina has adopted the Uniform Military and Overseas Voters Act. UOCAVA voters may be sent absentee ballots through electronic transmission. They may return them by electronic transmission, including fax, or by mail. However, any ballots and related materials transmitted via email to the voter must be printed, marked, and scanned before they may be returned electronically. In other words, they can't be uploaded or voted over the Internet as perhaps has been done elsewhere. 

In addition, elections officials must implement an electronic free access system by which a covered voter may determine whether the voter's registration, absentee ballot application, or ballot has been received and the current status of the ballot. Finally, the voter's email address is not a public record and may be used only for official communications with the voter about the voting process. These latter two requirements are part of the safeguards for the process, although I realize they may not address all the concerns raised about electronic transmission of voting materials.

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We actually do have internet voting in the U.S. As of this morning, 280 overseas civilian and military ballots have been returned via e-mail and accepted by North Carolina election officials. 6 have been faxed.

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Good ol’ Joe can do some incredibly tough name calling over the Internet. Wow, dude – you’re a gutsy guy!

Getting back to the election law issues, over 40 cities in Canada have used Internet voting (after changing their laws to accommodate it). If good ol’ Joe’s 'scientifically validated' statement were true, then the entire nation of Canada must be smoking something. This would have to include Elections Canada, the agency that runs national elections, because, as I show in my first article, they want to offer Internet voting for all national elections. 

Joe’s slightly exaggerated claim is emotion-based rather than factual. He appears to be fully caught up in the Moral Panic over the supposed insecurity of Internet voting – a Moral Panic that is uniquely American.

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I don't often feed trolls, but when I do, I prefer them to be William Kelleher.

Suffice it to say that every single technical expert you can find will advise vociferously against internet voting at this time.

That is all and sorry for unusual snark from me.

best, Joe

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM, wjk <wjkellpro at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Canada?s National Debate over Internet Voting: Part Three - The Drum 
> Beat Grows Louder for Internet Voting in Canada 
> http://ivn.us/tomorrows-democracy/2012/09/17/canadas-national-debate-o
> ver-internet-voting-part-3/ "Big Mo," as campaign directors say, is in 
> favor of Internet voting in Canada. Even Native Canadians are doing 
> it! Check out the first two posts, too!
>
> More to come on security issues ?
>
> William J. Kelleher, Ph.D.
> Political Scientist, author, speaker,
> CEO for The Internet Voting Research and Education Fund a CA Nonprofit 
> Foundation
> Email: Internetvoting at gmail.com
> Blog: http://tinyurl.com/IV4All
> Twitter: wjkno1
>
> Author of Internet Voting Now!
> Kindle edition: http://tinyurl.com/IntV-Now In paper: 
> http://tinyurl.com/IVNow2011
>

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