[EL] listserv decorum
Rick Hasen
rhasen at law.uci.edu
Fri Aug 30 09:06:53 PDT 2013
Whether or not you think this is appropriate to use the listserv for
this purpose, I do not think it is and will not tolerate your doing so
on this list.
On 8/30/13 9:59 AM, Greenberg, Kevin wrote:
>
> As I said to Bill, my distribution was not intended in any way to
> expose him and I apologize that he took it as a threat.
>
> For what it is worth, I made a point not to include the street address
> (as opposed to the name), his spouse's name, or his phone number, all
> of which were discoverable within my self-imposed 120 second limit.
> It was intended as an illustration of the fact that the Internet has
> changed what is private. I think everyone needs to be aware that our
> debate about address disclosure is at some level silly. We either
> disclose what people give, or we do not. But the idea that the
> ancillary information is somehow secret is very 20^th Century of us.
>
> Kevin Greenberg
> (215) 279-9912
>
> *From:*Rick Hasen [mailto:rhasen at law.uci.edu]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2013 10:30 AM
> *To:* Greenberg, Kevin
> *Cc:* 'Bill Maurer'; 'Michael P McDonald'; 'law-election at UCI.edu'
> *Subject:* listserv decorum
>
> Kevin and others,
> Regardless of one's views on the merits of the disclosure question, I
> do not want people to use this listserv, has you have below, to
> disclose personal information about listserv members or others.
> Please refrain from using the listserv for this purpose.
> Rick
>
> On 8/29/13 2:25 PM, Greenberg, Kevin wrote:
>
> For whatever it's worth, I found her home address in Maryland, her
> address of birth, and at least two other addresses in less than
> two minutes using free, online search tools. Not even talking
> about the commercially available databases.
>
> And I did NOT use any campaign finance database.
>
> Whether or not to disclose addresses on campaign finance databases
> may be an interesting debate. But no one needs a campaign
> finance database to identify anyone's home address.
>
> Bill, your name is a little more common, so in two minutes I can't
> tell if you live on ...K. Odds are its one of those. I can share
> the various spouses and prior addresses as well if you wish.
>
> Kevin Greenberg
> (215) 279-9912
>
>
> *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>
> [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Maurer
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:16 PM
> *To:* Michael P McDonald; law-election at UCI.edu
> <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Paz Harassment
>
> Unfortunately, Professor, your view does not prevail among many
> legislators and administrative agency officials, many of whom have
> the view of "disclose everything, though the heavens may fall,"
> and who consistently ignore or minimize the serious consequences
> that result from this position. Rather than start from where we
> think the line might be drawn, the starting point, I think, should
> be a recognition from the regulatory policymakers that not every
> single transaction must be disclosed and that disclosure, in and
> of itself, imposes serious burdens while oftentimes providing
> little benefit to the public. That has not been done, so far as I
> can tell. While reasonable people could, perhaps, come to a
> compromise that could satisfy constitutional scrutiny and provide
> some public information, that has not been the approach of those
> who craft these laws, who continue to require ridiculous,
> oppressive requirements, like reporting the name, address,
> occupation and employer for someone who buys a box of doughnuts
> for a political meeting.
>
> *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>
> [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Michael P McDonald
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:53 AM
> *To:* law-election at UCI.edu <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Paz Harassment
>
> I'll cut to the chase and start this debate where we last left it
> off. The current federal disclosure law is an aggregate of
> $200/candidate per election. As I said then, a disclosure
> threshold is reasonable. Many conservatives on the list also
> expressed agreement that disclosure thresholds are reasonable. I'm
> willing to entertain a higher number, but when I pressed on what
> threshold might be agreeable to conservatives, no one was willing
> to give a number. Is it $1,000, $1 billion, or what? What
> contribution level qualifies as one as a small donor? We can't
> have a reasonable discussion about changing policy without that
> information.
>
> ============
> Dr. Michael P. McDonald
> Associate Professor
> George Mason University
> 4400 University Drive - 3F4
> Fairfax, VA 22030-4444
>
> phone: 703-993-4191 (office)
> e-mail: mmcdon at gmu.edu <mailto:mmcdon at gmu.edu>
> web: http://elections.gmu.edu
> twitter: @ElectProject
>
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>
> *From:*Smith, Brad [BSmith at law.capital.edu
> <mailto:BSmith at law.capital.edu>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:41 PM
> *To:* Michael P McDonald; law-election at UCI.edu
> <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* RE: [EL] Paz Harassment
>
> It is an important "democratic value" that the names and addresses
> of smalltime donors such as Holly Paz be made public.
>
> Serious argument, or "straw man"?
>
> I'm going with "straw man," but there may be people who take that
> argument seriously.
>
> /Bradley A. Smith/
>
> /Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault/
>
> / Professor of Law/
>
> /Capital University Law School/
>
> /303 E. Broad St./
>
> /Columbus, OH 43215/
>
> /614.236.6317/
>
> /http://law.capital.edu/faculty/bios/bsmith.aspx/
>
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>
> *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>
> [law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>] on behalf
> of Michael P McDonald [mmcdon at gmu.edu <mailto:mmcdon at gmu.edu>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:24 PM
> *To:* law-election at UCI.edu <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Paz Harassment
>
> Do you guys ever get tired of punching straw men? No one ever said
> there was no political harassment and several people gave examples
> of it, myself included. The claim was the harassment *for a
> campaign donation* was a rare thing, is terrible, but when weighed
> against other democratic values should be properly handled through
> law enforcement. I don't think Ms. Paz is being harassed for a
> campaign donation.
>
> ============
>
> Dr. Michael P. McDonald
> Associate Professor
> George Mason University
> 4400 University Drive - 3F4
> Fairfax, VA 22030-4444
>
> phone: 703-993-4191 (office)
> e-mail: mmcdon at gmu.edu <mailto:mmcdon at gmu.edu>
> web: http://elections.gmu.edu
> twitter: @ElectProject
>
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>
> *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>
> [law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>] on behalf
> of Smith, Brad [BSmith at law.capital.edu
> <mailto:BSmith at law.capital.edu>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:03 PM
> *To:* Bill Maurer; law-election at UCI.edu <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Paz Harassment
>
> Ah, so that explains why the President has urged higher taxes on
> the wealthy - he's a captive of his donor base of IRS agents!
> Thank goodness now we know. Had I know this 10 months ago, it
> would certainly have influenced my vote, and helped me make sense
> of the campaign.
>
> By the way, Bill - you're not much good at using the databases - I
> got to her street address in 25 seconds from the time I started
> looking, and it took me that long because I kept hitting the "caps
> lock" key when I meant to hit the "tab" key. I'm tempted to
> publish it here, because, like you say, it's probably not worth
> worrying about, and it's important for people to know. Otherwise,
> we couldn't be sure it was the right Holly Paz. Besides, most
> people making death threats probably don't *really* plan to kill
> her, they just want to harass her a bit, and a little harassment
> for someone is, well, like Justice Scalia and a few others I could
> name always say, it's a small price to pay when the alternative is
> not knowing which politicians are beholden to Holly Paz.
>
> /Bradley A. Smith/
>
> /Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault/
>
> / Professor of Law/
>
> /Capital University Law School/
>
> /303 E. Broad St./
>
> /Columbus, OH 43215/
>
> /614.236.6317/
>
> /http://law.capital.edu/faculty/bios/bsmith.aspx/
>
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>
> *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>
> [law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>] on behalf
> of Bill Maurer [wmaurer at ij.org <mailto:wmaurer at ij.org>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:32 PM
> *To:* Rick Hasen; law-election at UCI.edu <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [EL] Paz Harassment
>
> I was wondering how people got Ms. Paz's private information so
> they could engage in the harassment discussed in story, given that
> I imagine that most IRS officials are not all that forthcoming
> about where they live. Then I did a search for her political
> donations and---Shazam!---there it was, at least what state and
> city she lives in (had she given money in Washington state, her
> street address would have been listed too).
>
> However, I've been told repeatedly that using this information to
> harass people (i) doesn't happen, (ii) isn't that bad anyway, and
> (iii) it's the price of political courage, so I guess it's all
> okay. Maybe she'll be able to get an exemption from reporting now
> that people have actually threatened to kill her, but that will
> depend on whether a judge decides her fear is "reasonable" in
> light of the need to "follow the money" right up to where the
> yellow police tape starts.
>
> Bill
>
> *From:*law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu
> <mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu>
> [mailto:law-election-bounces at department-lists.uci.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Rick Hasen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:42 PM
> *To:* law-election at UCI.edu <mailto:law-election at UCI.edu>
> *Subject:* [EL] ELB News and Commentary 8/29/13
>
>
> "IRS official who scrutinized conservative groups facing
> harassment, attorney says" <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54904>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:38 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54904>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> WaPo:
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/irs-official-who-scrutinized-conservative-groups-facing-harassment-attorney-says/2013/08/28/50577962-0ff6-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html>
>
> A top Internal Revenue Service official has faced harassment,
> including threatening telephone calls and visits to her home,
> after being singled out for criticism by Republicans, her
> lawyer alleges in a letter to lawmakers.
>
> The official, Holly Paz
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/06/17/what-did-top-irs-official-holly-paz-tell-congressional-investigators-here-are-the-highlights/>,
> has been on administrative leave since June in connection with
> the controversy
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-denounces-reported-irs-targeting-of-conservative-groups/2013/05/13/a0185644-bbdf-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html>
> over how the IRS scrutinized conservative groups applying for
> tax-exempt status. Paz was involved in subjecting some tea
> party groups to scrutiny and helped conduct an internal review
> of the program, but has not been formally accused of wrongdoing.
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54904&title=%E2%80%9CIRS%20official%20who%20scrutinized%20conservative%20groups%20facing%20harassment%2C%20attorney%20says%E2%80%9D&description=>
>
> Posted incampaign finance <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>,
> tax law and election law <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=22>
>
>
> Tom Edsall Gets Major Republican Strategists, Top U.S.
> Political Scientists to Weigh in On Chances for Republicans to
> Capture Presidency in 2016 <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54902>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:34 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54902>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Important perspectives
> <http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/can-republicans-paint-the-white-house-red/?hp&_r=0>.
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54902&title=Tom%20Edsall%20Gets%20Major%20Republican%20Strategists%2C%20Top%20U.S.%20Political%20Scientists%20to%20Weigh%20in%20On%20Chances%20for%20Republicans%20to%20Capture%20Presidency%20in%202016&descript>
>
> Posted incampaigns <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=59>
>
>
> "Obama: 'We're Not Going To Wait For Congress' To Act On
> Voting Rights Act" <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54900>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:28 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54900>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Video
> <http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/28/obama_were_not_going_to_wait_for_congress_to_act_on_voting_rights_act.html>
> from PBS News Hour interview.
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54900&title=%E2%80%9CObama%3A%20%E2%80%98We%E2%80%99re%20Not%20Going%20To%20Wait%20For%20Congress%E2%80%99%20To%20Act%20On%20Voting%20Rights%20Act%E2%80%9D&description=>
>
> Posted inDepartment of Justice
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=26>, The Voting Wars
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>, Voting Rights Act
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=15>
>
>
> "N.C. Lawmakers Meet Raucous Crowd at Charlotte Forum"
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54898>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:26 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54898>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> The backlash begins.
> <http://electionlawblog.org/N.C.%20lawmakers%20meet%20raucous%20crowd%20at%20Charlotte%20forum%20%20Read%20more%20here:%20http:/www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/08/28/4271194/nc-lawmakers-meet-raucous-crowd.html#storylink=cpy>
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54898&title=%E2%80%9CN.C.%20Lawmakers%20Meet%20Raucous%20Crowd%20at%20Charlotte%20Forum%E2%80%9D&description=>
>
> Posted inThe Voting Wars <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>
>
>
> "The True Cost of Free Voter I.D. in Texas"
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54896>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:17 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54896>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> This interesting item
> <http://texaselectionlaw.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/the-true-cost-of-free-voter-i-d-in-texas/>
> (and many other interesting items) appear at the new "Texas
> Election Law Blog." The blog is written by
> <http://texaselectionlaw.wordpress.com/about/> "Joseph Kulhavy --
> I am a licensed attorney in the State of Texas, and from October
> 6, 2004 until July 2, 2013, I was a staff attorney with the
> Elections Division, Texas Secretary of State."
>
> Keep an eye here.
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54896&title=%E2%80%9CThe%20True%20Cost%20of%20Free%20Voter%20I.D.%20in%20Texas%E2%80%9D&description=>
>
> Posted inThe Voting Wars <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>,
> voter id <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=9>, Voting Rights Act
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=15>
>
>
> Other Goings-On in Texas Since The Supreme Court Killed Voting
> Rights Act Section 5 Preclearance
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54892>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:11 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54892>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> In Pasadena, TX:
> <http://txredistricting.org/post/58935159956/pasadena-redistricting-moves-draw-questions>
> "the City of Pasadena in southeast Harris County voted 5-4 to
> place a proposition on the November 2013 ballot that, if approved
> by voters, would change the city's current 8 single member
> district system of electing members of the city council to a 6-2
> system featuring two at large members.
> <http://txredistricting.org/post/58935159956/pasadena-redistricting-moves-draw-questions>
> State Sen. Sylvia Garcia, MALDEF, and the /Houston Chronicle/ have
> all expressed concerns that the move would dilute the voting
> strength of the city's rapidly growing Hispanic population."
>
> In Galveston, TX:
> <http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Galveston-County-may-run-afoul-of-Voting-Rights-4747681.php>"Galveston
> County commissioners have slashed the number of justice of the
> peace and constable districts a year after the U.S. Justice
> Department blocked a similar plan as discriminatory."
>
> Yeah, the end of preclearance matters
> <http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/08/north_carolina_s_speedy_vote_suppression_tactics_show_exactly_why_the_voting.html>.
> And for those like James Taranto
> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324108204579024942693167698.html>who
> say the Court didn't really kill Section 5, only the preclearance
> provision of section 4, I debunk that claim in my APSA paper
> (which I'm presenting tomorrow), /Shelby County and the Illusion
> of Minimalism./
> <http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2291612>
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54892&title=Other%20Goings-On%20in%20Texas%20Since%20The%20Supreme%20Court%20Killed%20Voting%20Rights%20Act%20Section%205%20Preclearance&description=>
>
> Posted inSupreme Court <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=29>,
> Voting Rights Act <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=15>
>
>
> Eric Wang on McCutcheon <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54890>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:00 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54890>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Here
> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/28/wang-cutting-the-price-tag-off-free-speech/>,
> in the /Washington Times./
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54890&title=Eric%20Wang%20on%20McCutcheon&description=>
>
> Posted incampaign finance <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>
>
>
> "Black Republicans try to appropriate Martin Luther King"
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54888>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 8:56 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54888>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> And apparently they don't suppor
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-black-republicans-try-to-appropriate-martin-luther-king/2013/08/26/2eb47d18-0e99-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html>t
> fixing the Voting Rights Act:
>
> A similar response greeted Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.),
> who criticized the Supreme Court decision
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-stops-use-of-key-part-of-voting-rights-act/2013/06/25/26888528-dda5-11e2-b197-f248b21f94c4_story.html>
> that invalidated part of the Voting Rights Act and vowed to
> repair the law so that it is "impervious to another challenge
> that will be filed by the usual suspects. I'm with you on
> that." The light applause suggested that most of those in
> attendance were not with him.
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54888&title=%E2%80%9CBlack%20Republicans%20try%20to%20appropriate%20Martin%20Luther%20King%E2%80%9D&description=>
>
> Posted inVoting Rights Act <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=15>
>
>
> "Sorority offered free drinks to members to vote in Tuscaloosa
> City Board of Education race"
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54886>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 8:54 pm
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54886>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> The /Birmingham News/ reports. (h/t Political Wire)
> <http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/08/28/sorority_girls_offered_free_drinks_to_vote.html#.Uh6PQVbh_mE.twitter>
>
> Offering payments or incentives for voting is illegal in federal
> elections. It is also illegal in some states. (It is illegal in
> all states to pay someone to vote /for or against/ a candidate or
> ballot measure.)
>
> More on this in my article, Vote Buying.
> <http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=257564>
>
> Share
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>
> Posted invote buying <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=43>
>
>
> "Colorado: Campaign Finance complaint filed against Morse
> opponent points to the hybrid nature of recalls"
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54884>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 10:13 am
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54884>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> This item
> <http://recallelections.blogspot.com/2013/08/colorado-campaign-finance-complaint.html>
> appears at the Recall Elections Blog.
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54884&title=%E2%80%9CColorado%3A%20Campaign%20Finance%20complaint%20filed%20against%20Morse%20opponent%20points%20to%20the%20hybrid%20nature%20of%20recalls%E2%80%9D&description=>
>
> Posted incampaign finance <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=10>,
> recall elections <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=11>
>
>
> "What Today's Journalists Can Learn From MLK Coverage; In
> 1963, newspapers tried to present 'both sides' of the civil
> rights struggle. Modern reporters should know better --- but
> when it comes to voting rights, they often make the same
> mistake." <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54882>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 10:11 am
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54882>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Andrew Cohen writes
> <http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/what-todays-journalists-can-learn-from-mlk-coverage/278095/>
> for /The Atlantic./
>
> Share
> <http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D54882&title=%E2%80%9CWhat%20Today%E2%80%99s%20Journalists%20Can%20Learn%20From%20MLK%20Coverage%3B%20In%201963%2C%20newspapers%20tried%20to%20present%20%E2%80%98both%20sides%E2%80%99%20of%20the%20civil%20right>
>
> Posted inThe Voting Wars <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>
>
>
> "Republicans Admit Voter ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic
> Voters" <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54880>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 9:17 am
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54880>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Jamelle Bouie writes
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/28/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Fpolitics+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Politics%29>
> for /The Daily Beast./
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> Posted inThe Voting Wars <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>
>
>
> "King's Deferred 'Dream' of Democracy"
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54878>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 8:56 am
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54878>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Janai Nelson writes
> <http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/08/27/kings-deferred-dream-of-democracy/>
> for Reuters Opinion.
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> Posted inVoting Rights Act <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=15>
>
>
> An Open Letter to Jonathan Tobin on Voter Fraud Allegations
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54875>
>
> Posted on August 28, 2013 8:32 am
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=54875>by Rick Hasen
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>
> Mr Tobin,
>
> Is it possible for you to stop the bait and switch
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=48568>? No one I know who has
> studied this issue says there's no voter fraud (hence, the
> misleading title of your piece: Are You Sure There's No Voter
> Fraud
> <http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/08/27/are-you-sure-theres-no-voter-fraud-voter-id-detroi/>?).
> It happens, especially with absentee ballots.
>
> Instead, the claim is that there's almost no voter impersonation
> fraud---the main type of fraud a voter id law would be designed to
> prevent. For my book /The Voting Wars /I tried to find a single
> instance where an election was thrown into question since 1980
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=42150> by such fraud. I could not
> find <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=19560> a single example. I
> found lots of examples of absentee ballot fraud, and election
> officials committing fraud. But because impersonation fraud is
> such a dumb and inefficient way to steal an election, it is
> unsurprising that it doesn't happen. You offer no such examples
> in your writing; just innuendo.
>
> And please don't tell me that this fraud is both widespread and
> impossible to detect (to paraphrase Colin Powell's recent
> remarks). There's not a single credible academic
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=42251> who would agree. We have
> some comparative numbers from News21
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=48568> on prosecutions for these
> kinds of crimes. Absentee ballot fraud is a real problem.
> Impersonation fraud is negligible. There's no reason to believe
> that impersonation fraud would be harder to catch. In fact,
> because it would involve a lot of people going to polling places
> claiming to be someone else, it would be easier to catch.
>
> So spare me the unsubstantiated allegations. And if you are really
> serious that voter fraud is a major problem, let's see you get
> behind and advocate for the elimination of no excuse absentee
> balloting before you attack phantom targets.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rick Hasen
>
> Share
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> Posted infraudulent fraud squad
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=8>, The Voting Wars
> <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=60>
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