[EL] The $45M Heist from NYC ATMs - Hall

[David A. Holtzman]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
It wasn't with punch cards.
For instance.  - dah


On 5/15/2013 12:47 PM, wjk wrote:
> Reply to Joe Hall's comment, "David [Jefferson] speaks for an 
> overwhelming consensus of the technical community with expertise in 
> voting technology."*
> One of my main criticisms of the anti-Internet voting activists is 
> that they are extraordinarily flippant about making assertions that 
> appear to be empirically accurate, but which lack any factual basis. 
> Joe gives us his personal assurances that "David speaks for an 
> overwhelming consensus of the technical community with expertise in 
> voting technology."
> Got facts, Joe? I do. Over the past few years nearly 100 trials of 
> Internet voting have been conducted w/o any reports of security 
> breaches. These trials have been conducted all over the world. This 
> includes: nearly a dozen cities in Canada; Cantons in Switzerland; 
> Norway; New South Whales, Australia; Gujarat, the largest state in 
> India; and, West Virginia in the 2010 primary and general election. 
> Secretary of State Natalie Tennant continues to advocate for Internet 
> voting (see
> http://www.govtech.com/e-government/Making-the-Case-for-Online-Voting.html) 
> <http://www.govtech.com/e-government/Making-the-Case-for-Online-Voting.html>
> In 2000, the US Department of Defense used Internet voting for some 
> overseas military in a test of concept trial. In that year, the 
> Republican Party in Alaska offered Internet voting for its 
> Presidential Straw Poll, and the Democratic Party used it for its 
> Primary. The Democratic Party used it in Michigan in 2004. SERVE had a 
> big team of experts.
> In each case of Internet voting, there has been a team of technical 
> experts in voting technology working on the project. That means scores 
> of experts internationally.
> These professionals most assuredly do NOT share the views of Mr. 
> Jefferson or of that fabricated "consensus of the technical community 
> with expertise in voting technology."
> Also, who does Joe include in his "technical community," and what does 
> Joe mean by "expertise in voting technology"?I'll bet a dime that none 
> of the anti-Internet voting members of his "consensus" have actual 
> experience constructing successful Internet voting systems, including 
> Joe and Mr. Jefferson. Can academics with no hands on practical 
> experience claim the same "expertise" as the technicians who have 
> constructed successful systems? Or, are the former mere arm chair 
> critics and Monday morning quarterbacks?
> Much ado is made of a hack of the Internet voting system in 
> Washington, DC in 2010. But that was not during an election.It 
> happened the first time the system was tested. It was not built by 
> professionals with prior experience, but by amateurs trying their luck 
> for the first time. Surly there are differences in levels of expertise.
> Here is a testable hypothesis: the ones who have actually built 
> successful Internet voting systems believe it can be done; while the 
> ones w/o such experience are positive it can't be done.
> William J. Kelleher, Ph.D.
> Political Scientist, author, speaker,
> CEO for The Internet Voting Research and Education Fund
> Email: Internetvoting at gmail.com <mailto:Internetvoting at gmail.com>
> Blog: http://tinyurl.com/IV4All
> Twitter: wjkno1
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/pub/william-j-kelleher-ph-d/9/466/687/ 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/william-j-kelleher-ph-d/9/466/687/>
> Author of Internet Voting Now!
> *Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 14:10:25 -0400
> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall at gmail.com <mailto:joehall at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [EL] The $45M Hiest (sic) from NYC ATMs
> To: David Jefferson <d_jefferson at yahoo.com <mailto:d_jefferson at yahoo.com>>
> Cc: "law-election at department-lists.uci.edu 
> <mailto:law-election at department-lists.uci.edu>"
>
> I'm not sure I need to say this but I will: David speaks for an
> overwhelming consensus of the technical community with expertise in
> voting technology. best, Joe
>
>
>
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