[EL] Civic Courage, Indeed
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JBoppjr at aol.com
Wed Nov 20 12:17:24 PST 2013
Regarding:
Unfortunately, many people do not consider appearances and do not think of
their responsibilities, and their thoughtlessness undermines trust in our
political system.
Unfortunately, as Wechsler amply demonstrates, some people do not care
about First Amendment protections of political speech.
Just because a person has "family relationships, business relatinships
(sic), and superior-subordinate relationships" does not mean that the person
coordinates their political activity with a candidate. Only if the specific
political activity involved is in fact coordinated does the First
Amendment permit the activity to be limited by being deemed an in-kind
contribution. Without this specific coordination it is in fact independent.
Because of the draconian penalties involved, in my experience, those with
"family relationships, business relatinships (sic), and superior-subordinate
relationships" are the least likely to risk the penalties by crossing the
line, because the last thing they want to do is get a candidate they like
in trouble.
However, since I have not represented Wechsler, I don't know what he
thinks about those that he has "family relationships, business relatinships
(sic), and superior-subordinate relationships" with and, therefore, the
illegalities he would be willing to risk. Jim Bopp
In a message dated 11/20/2013 12:30:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
catbird at pipeline.com writes:
An appearance standard need not be subjective, as you argue in the
McCutcheon amicus brief. Responsible appearance standards are based on objective
relationships, such as family relationships, business relatinships, and
superior-subordinate relationships. These are very logical stopping points.
If, for example, I were to form an independent expenditure group that
supported a campaign of the senator for whom my stepson works, it would, if
this fact came out, appear that the group was not independent, even though in
fact I have never met or communicated with the senator. It would be
reasonable for the public to assume that I was not acting independently and that
any funds I raised to support the senator were no different than the funds
raised by the senator's campaign committee.
Do I have a First Amendment right to support the senator? Definitely. Do I
have a First Amendment right to form a supposedly independent expenditure
group to raise funds to support the senator, when I actually have a close
family relationship to the senator's aide? No.
With rights come responsibilities. It is my responsibility to recognize
that forming such a group would be seen as fraudulent and would therefore
undermine trust in our political system. I wouldn't do such a thing nor argue
for it to be done.
The same goes for my right to write in my government ethics blog about
this senator. I have every right to do it. But because I have a conflict,
because it would appear that I am biased, I shouldn't and I won't.
Unfortunately, many people do not consider appearances and do not think of
their responsibilities, and their thoughtlessness undermines trust in our
political system.
Rob Wechsler
On 11/20/2013 9:30 AM, Bill Maurer wrote:
Robert,
That’s an interesting approach, but I don’t see a logical stopping point.
While it would appear to leave independent expenditure/contribution
distinction intact, in reality I think it would mean that almost all political
speech would be treated as potentially corrupting and thus capable of being
regulated and restricted by the government. If the First Amendment is to
be preserved, I think, the assumption should be the other way—political
speech cannot be regulated or restricted unless the government can actually
show that it is corrupting.
We made this point more thoroughly in our amicus brief in the McCutcheon
case, which you may find interesting.
http://www.ij.org/images/pdf_folder/amicus_briefs/mccutcheon-amicus.pdf
Bill
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Subject: Re: [EL] Civic Courage, Indeed
One of the things I find missing in this discussion is the concept of
appearance. The public can never know whether an "independent" expenditure
group is truly independent of a candidate committee. The public can only go by
how independent the group appears to be. Appearance is the only solid
standard the public has.
If an "independent" expenditure group is run by members of a candidate's
personal circle, then it will not appear independent. And therefore, there
is an appearance that contributions to the expenditure group are no
different than contributions to a candidate committee. Such contributions, then,
may both appear and be corrupting every bit as much as contributions to a
candidate committee.
Arguing that contributions to an "independent" expenditure group should be
unlimited cannot be legitimate without an accompanying argument that the
group must appear independent. Otherwise, from the public's point of view
(which is what matters) it is effectively an argument that contributions to a
candidate committee should be unlimited, and this has been rejected by the
Supreme Court.
Robert Wechsler
Director of Research
City Ethics, Inc.
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