[EL] Attention fellow totalitarians...

Thu Apr 17 12:19:58 PDT 2014

I've always enjoyed the conversations on the ListServe and have never felt
excluded.  Although, now I'm wondering if I'm just naive.  After all, I
had the privilege to be trained by Jim Bopp, worked for him for 5 years,
and thought I knew him.  I had no idea he was such a middle-of-the-road
kind of guy!  I must be naive!

Joe
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Benjamin Barr <benjamin.barr at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm a big fan of all-things election law list serv and Rick's efforts
> here.
>
> As for me, I've enjoyed off-list conversations on points I've contributed
> or about litigation I've launched.  In the past, Roy Schotland and I found
> many points of agreement and enjoyed our own off-list intellectual sparring
> and engagement.  When contributors and readers are able to move past the
> emotional temptation to put uniforms on those carrying different views,
> amazing things happen.  At other times, the cold shoulder has shown itself.
>
> Toward engagement,
>
> Benjamin Barr
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Steve Klein <stephen.klein.esq at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It's ironic to complain that in a free forum participants are choosing
>> where to concentrate their efforts; that's the whole idea. The "government
>> servers" thing is little more than red meat for those who don't understand
>> or respect academia.
>>
>> I staunchly oppose campaign finance laws. I support this listserv.
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Rick Hasen <rhasen at law.uci.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>    Interesting Perspective on Election Law Listserv from Non-Participant<http://electionlawblog.org/?p=60581>
>>>  Posted on April 17, 2014 10:03 am <http://electionlawblog.org/?p=60581> by
>>> Rick Hasen <http://electionlawblog.org/?author=3>
>>>
>>> I wonder if the many conservatives on the election law listserv would
>>> agree with these points made by J. Christian Adams<http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2014/04/17/a-new-more-sinister-irs-scandal/?singlepage=true>
>>> :
>>>
>>> *S*o who are the speech regulators seeking to impose government limits
>>> on the exercise of the First Amendment?
>>>
>>> Like bats in the belfry, they tend to congregate online at University of
>>> California at Irvine Law Professor Rick Hasen’s election blog<http://electionlawblog.org/>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Hasen runs an online meeting hall<http://department-lists.uci.edu/pipermail/law-election/>for all the would-be speech totalitarians. They post, bluster, and kibitz
>>> about the latest news on their effort to erode the First Amendment and
>>> increase federal power. Whenever a free speech advocate seeks to contribute
>>> to the conversation at the blog, they are often deliberately given a cold
>>> shoulder and ignored, per plan. The ignored don’t understand that leftists
>>> aren’t interested in debate. Their pedigree requires the eradication of
>>> opposing ideas, not their incubation.
>>>
>>> But perhaps the ignored should be thankful. Being ignored is better than
>>> what the speech regulators have done in other places throughout history.
>>> Jail and truncheons are the usual tools of those who want to stamp out free
>>> speech. In America, the speech regulators have just begun to warm up to
>>> jail as a tool.
>>>
>>> That Hasen’s online hangout is hosted on *government servers* provides an
>>> interesting twist.
>>>
>>> Judicial Watch sent the University of California at Irvine a freedom of
>>> information request demanding Hasen’s emails to the White House and other
>>> government officials including any on the topic of speech regulations. The
>>> University told Judicial Watch to pound sand, and still hasn’t provided
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> [image: a] <http://cdn.pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/files/2014/04/a1.jpg>
>>>
>>> Yesterday’s IRS email revelation makes you wonder what Cal-Irvine is
>>> hiding.
>>>
>>> So who are some of the other speech regulators who haven’t shown up on
>>> IRS scandal documents yet?
>>>
>>>  [image: Share]<http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Felectionlawblog.org%2F%3Fp%3D60581&title=Interesting%20Perspective%20on%20Election%20Law%20Listserv%20from%20Non-Participant&description=>
>>>   Posted in Uncategorized <http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=1>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Hasen
>>> Chancellor's Professor of Law and Political Science
>>> UC Irvine School of Law
>>> 401 E. Peltason Dr., Suite 1000
>>> Irvine, CA 92697-8000949.824.3072 - office949.824.0495 - faxrhasen at law.uci.edu
>>> hhttp://www.law.uci.edu/faculty/full-time/hasen/http://electionlawblog.org
>>>
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